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Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinner than 1914.

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Re: Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinner than 1914.

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Illogical question, obviously everyone was way more active in 1914.

The quote at the beginning of the article implies that this was compensated for, to an extent:

"Historically people worked a lot more than they do now. They also ate a lot more than they do now."

Re: Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinner than 1914.

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The theory is about total carbs, which includes sugar, potatoes, etc, not just grains. Strange to just focus on grains.

I thought that the theory was the simple carbs (e.g. sugars, refined grains) were worse offenders than complex carbs (e.g. potatoes).

In terms of GI, the Glycemic Index, sure they are. However, the more important measure it GL, the Glycemic Load, which is basically the GI multiplied with the average amount.

For example, even though a cherry has much higher GI than a potato, you eat more sugar/carbohydrates in one potato than in one cherry, so a potato has higher GL and thus higher insulin response.

Re: Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinner than 1914.

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If I recall correctly, Taubes discusses that ~1914 was a historic low point of meat consumption because the supply could not keep up with all of the demand from the increased immigration. So 1914 is certainly not a good baseline either.

I don't think it is at all fair to say "they were already using white flour..". Much bread had very different qualities back then- more likely to be slow fermented instead of quick rise, much more likely to be local, etc.

I think this misses the point anyways- the quality of food was different- you see a large increase in sweeteners in the graph, oils transitioned away from natural animal fats to industrial processed seed oils- and in general food became much more processed.

Re: Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinner than 1914.

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If you look at the chart and treat the blue (sweeteners) and purple (fats and oils) streaks as a single one, together they increase 1.6 times from around 25% in 1914 to 40% in 2004. That's a huge increase! In fact, these two calorie sources are the only ones that consistently increased over the given period. I am surprised anyone is even talking about grains and meat.

Re: Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinner than 1914.

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The theory is about total carbs, which includes sugar, potatoes, etc, not just grains. Strange to just focus on grains.

You posted my exact reaction. Having read Gary Taubes' book and seen film interviews with him on the subject, I don't once recall him focusing solely on grains.

Re: Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinner than 1914.

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The theory is about total carbs, which includes sugar, potatoes, etc, not just grains. Strange to just focus on grains.

From the article: "...the grain figure doesn't even include the two hundred pounds of potatoes Americans ate every year in the early 20th century."

Table 4 of the original report gives more detailed numbers. In the period 1909-1919, grains, potatoes and sweeteners together contributed 54.4% of American calories. In 2004, it was down to 43%.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnpp.usd...

On the other hand, fat consumption nearly doubled over that period (from 12.6% to 23.9%).

Re: Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinner than 1914.

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Take a cup of flour from 1914 and a cup of AP flour from 2011. Place them side by side on the counter top. Tell me how they are different from each other.

Take a cup of oatmeal from 1914 and a cup of Quaker Oats from 2011. Place them side by side on the counter top. Tell me how they are different from each other.

Take a slice from loaf of bread baked in the home from 1914 and place it next to a slice of bread from the grocery store bought in 2011. Tell me how they are different.

So no, it's not just grains that are making us fat. It's how grains are typically available to us. Highly refined, protein and fiber reduced, extended with fillers and soaked in sweeteners. It's a fact. People won't eat things that taste bad. If I gave you my great-grandmother's breakfast from 1914 (the Scottish one, you get oatmeal), you just might not eat it. I've heard she liked it with ham.

And, as other commenters point out, it doesn't hurt that people walked pretty much everywhere 100 years ago. And swept their floors, washed their laundry by hand, walked up lots of stairs as elevators were not in wide adoption.

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