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Microsoft Statement in Support of Epic [pdf]

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Re: Microsoft Statement in Support of Epic [pdf]

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If they feel so strongly about it let Epic open a store inside the Xbox. What? Didn’t think so.

The Xbox isn’t marketed as a general purpose computer, nor is it integral to the economy.

iPhone is neither a general purpose computer, nor is it integral to the economy

Re: Microsoft Statement in Support of Epic [pdf]

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If they feel so strongly about it let Epic open a store inside the Xbox. What? Didn’t think so.

The Xbox isn’t marketed as a general purpose computer, nor is it integral to the economy.

Everyone making this "general purpose computer" argument is disingenuously taking care to define the term specifically to rule out game consoles while covering the iPhone. The fact is that modern gaming consoles are general purpose computers complete with media center capabilities, operating systems, application stores, multitasking, networking, web browsing, streaming, etc.

Just like the case of the iPhone, the only thing that makes them appear otherwise is what software their respective owner companies choose to allow or disallow.

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Last I knew you could buy games for the Xbox from people other than Microsoft. Best Buy, for instance

Except you can't get your game on the shelf without Microsoft's explicit (contractual) approval, and (of course) paying them a royalty for each copy sold.

Isn't that a different argument?

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The Xbox isn’t marketed as a general purpose computer, nor is it integral to the economy.

Everyone making this "general purpose computer" argument is disingenuously taking care to define the term specifically to rule out game consoles while covering the iPhone. The fact is that modern gaming consoles are general purpose computers complete with media center capabilities, operating systems, application stores, multitasking, networking, web browsing, streaming, etc. Just like the case of the iPhone, the only…

Why do people even feel the need to defend consoles? The fact consoles are also artificially restricted doesn't mean it's okay for the Iphone to be, it means they need to be fixed as well.

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Exactly. How many times has Apple said the iPad is a laptop replacement?

It is for a subset of the market that only uses the web and a few apps. Otherwise, no, and Apple knows it which is why they are sticking their ARM silicon in Macs and continuing to evolve MacOS.

That is not a subset. Running programs is what computers are for.

Re: Microsoft Statement in Support of Epic [pdf]

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I'm extremely glad to see that Microsoft is publicly stating in court what many indie developers already thought: Apple is throwing millions of unrelated game companies under the bus, just to get their revenge on Epic.

In my opinion, it doesn't get any more retaliatory than that, which means Apple is most likely very far down the wrong side of antitrust law.

Re: Microsoft Statement in Support of Epic [pdf]

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I'm extremely surprised that Apple would engage in something that could in court be perceived as retaliatory against someone who is filing a complaint regarding anti competitive behavior. The definition of anti trust is to use your position in one market to gain an unfair advantage in an other market. By denying Epic access in the game engine market, Apple is trying to get Epic to fold in the game distribution market…

Technically, Apple is completely in the wrong here and in any country with a sane justice system they would lose this case due to blatant anticompetitive behaviour. However, Apple is also one of the largest companies of USA and a quite successful one. At that size they must have considerably good lobbying efforts, political class might also have connections to Apple through shares etc. They might go and say that enab…

Why should a court intervene in the contracting of two private parties? Epic started this fight by intentionally breaching an existing contract with Apple, only so they can get better terms.

Microsoft does the same as Apple, it makes money off micro-transactions and the ability for its competitors to sell on Xbox/Microsoft store, use trade dress, and be included in those hideous green media cases.

Last I checked Epic, Steam, Origin, uPlay, Google, Amazon, SetApp, most retailers, etc... do the same practice to varying degrees. Shrewd business practice != injustice/anticompetitive practices, just because a company has a large market share or is personally abhorrent to you.

Re: Microsoft Statement in Support of Epic [pdf]

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I'm extremely surprised that Apple would engage in something that could in court be perceived as retaliatory against someone who is filing a complaint regarding anti competitive behavior. The definition of anti trust is to use your position in one market to gain an unfair advantage in an other market. By denying Epic access in the game engine market, Apple is trying to get Epic to fold in the game distribution market…

Then Epic should have gone to the court without pulling the stunt

Agreed!

Re: Microsoft Statement in Support of Epic [pdf]

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That's 100% at Epic's fault. First of all, they willingly put their customers at risk. Second of all, they could've put the engine business in a different entity, keeping it safe from their games business

Even if they did that... Apple would just ban, because they can/want. I'm not fan of Epic however if the court rules Epic as right, we are about to see an important precedent to a less monopolized market.

That’s Apple’s prerogative after banning a developer who has violated their contract with them. Otherwise you could have shady developers just create numerous of legal entities to effectively brute force their way on to the store, and Apple would be unable to respond.

This case is less about monopolisation and more about inequality between two parties when settling a contract. Nothing stops Epic from making an Epic phone and doing the same.

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