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Pieter Levels Makes $600k a Year from Nomad List and Remote OK

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Re: Pieter Levels Makes $600k a Year from Nomad List and Remote OK

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I don't think this has anything to do with tech stack.

React is generally easier to use correctly than plain JavaScript, PostgreSQL is as easy to use as SQLite (and more powerful), Node is as easy to use as PHP (but has more libraries, and you can use TypeScript which makes it easier to write correct code), etc.

The only actually simplifying choice seems to be using a single VPS instead of a Kubernetes-based cluster.

It's far more likely that both the financial success and the tech stack are caused by a pragmatic attitude focusing on the business itself rather than tech details, rather than the tech stack being the cause of the success.

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I would say that for every Pieter on this planet, there are thousands of failed Pieters. The success of his business niche doesn't have much to do with tech stack or even programming, but rather Instagram style lifestyle businesses.

Conversely working for FAANG or even just a generic corporate job can land you in a position where you can be comfortably mediocre. Are those people failures too?

Going solo means you have to get shit done, and you have to pick a viable niche. There's no inertia to rely on, and no safety net.

So the tech stack makes a difference. Because if it takes you months of learning before you can start making a site out of cloud + containers + automation + components you've failed before you started.

Re: Pieter Levels Makes $600k a Year from Nomad List and Remote OK

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I am a solo founder and I recently saw the post of solo founder persistence, which I am yet to read in full. Pieter is one of those that can consistently deliver. He has been doing that for years now. I admire him and what he does, yet I know I can not. I am plagued by mental, emotional issues that break my routine every few months. I started focusing on perseverance and I am happy with where I am now. There is still…

Hey :) you should see my brain and discover what I'm plagued by! I struggle with moderate anxiety and depression on and off too and esp this year has been quite hard. Work is quite therapeutical for me because it keeps me creative, active and have goals. It keeps me on the rails really. Daily creative stuff to work on. My dad does the same as he's always renovating the house, doing woodworking, or studying film histo…

Pieter, thank you for this post which motivates me this morning to get things done. All the best.

Re: Pieter Levels Makes $600k a Year from Nomad List and Remote OK

#64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey :) you should see my brain and discover what I'm plagued by! I struggle with moderate anxiety and depression on and off too and esp this year has been quite hard. Work is quite therapeutical for me because it keeps me creative, active and have goals. It keeps me on the rails really. Daily creative stuff to work on. My dad does the same as he's always renovating the house, doing woodworking, or studying film histo…

Pieter, I do not know how to thank you enough for this. Last few weeks have been a disaster, cluelessness creeping in and I hit the bottom again. Thankfully I have YC Build Sprint so I forced myself somehow to ignore everything that is not working in my life and focus on what is working. Yes depression and anxiety are common in these circles. My work motivates me, I am 37 years old and this is my life, has always giv…

Hang in there! Take life one step at a time. Everyone is dealing with their own challenges all the time. You can do the ting! And if you ever need someone to listen, send me a message on Twitter

Re: Pieter Levels Makes $600k a Year from Nomad List and Remote OK

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post #56

I am super inspired by Pieter. At the same time, I'm also not a believer of a one size fits all approach. A lot of Pieter's work these days is built around remote working communities. His first ideas when he was doing 12 months, 12 startups were very singular in focus. Nothing wrong with that at all. At the same time, Pieter's approach has not been used across a broad range of products in terms of product complexity.…

i mean, facebook started as a very light php app and then they just built layer upon layer upon layer on top of it until they basically now have their own fork of php.

Re: Pieter Levels Makes $600k a Year from Nomad List and Remote OK

#66

I would say that for every Pieter on this planet, there are thousands of failed Pieters. The success of his business niche doesn't have much to do with tech stack or even programming, but rather Instagram style lifestyle businesses.

In other words, survivor bias.

https://xkcd.com/1827/

Re: Pieter Levels Makes $600k a Year from Nomad List and Remote OK

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post #53

If you don't know who Pieter Levels is, the title makes it sound like this person makes $600k doing remote coding work on jobs found on Nomad List and Remote OK. In actuality, he is an MBA who runs these two businesses.

Also he's up to about 900k now the video referred to is old.

that's run rate - he had a recent spike up to 1m run rate. his biz is quite volatile.

Re: Pieter Levels Makes $600k a Year from Nomad List and Remote OK

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any application can be said to be written in a single file if you ignore all of the libraries and just dump everything else into a single file, HN included. That's not a rational measure of simplicity, elegance or efficiency.

What the parent and original post seem to be implying is that simplicity, efficiency, tech stack (or lack there of), isn't what drives success in a business, it is instead the customers paying. Sure having a modern infrastructure that is able to process thousands of requests per second is better than something that can only do a few hundred, but if you strip out a bunch of excess requests, you will process less per u…

And save money + time.

The most important part is people paying you money.

Modern startup culture is full of inefficiencies + silly trappings (nice offices, drive to hire people, make things more complex, take more money from investors to stave off figuring out taking money from customers)

Re: Pieter Levels Makes $600k a Year from Nomad List and Remote OK

#69
I am going to take the opposing side of HN's groupthink and tell why I don't like that this guy is celebrated as a hero.

I haven't checked since a while but a long time ago when I tried to sign up to his site it was a showcase of dark patterns. What I specifically remember is that it sucked in all my data on a sign up form before telling me that I actually have to pay for access. I specifically checked every square inch of the opening site beforehand to see if it's a paid system. But it was filled to the rim with all the other usual dishonest marketing psychology bullshit too.

Usually it's best to avoid anybody who does any business with "digital nomad" in its description. So many hustlers preying on clueless people who are sucked into the promise of easily setting up an online passive income while travelling the world. Coaches, masterminds and paid-for online communities are the worst: newcomers pay access to people who are either essentially in the same shoes as themselves or are only part of the community to make a profit out of it. Obviously the ones who are willing to pay for this (and fall for the above described dark patterns) are the ones who want to get value out of it, not the ones who can provide. Why would any serious "digital nomad" pay to be part of such a community?

Also the original nomad list site was like a distillation of everything that's wrong with the lean startup ideology. The content was not only thin, it actually looked like it was totally made up. Whenever I saw someone link it as some authority on a location I always wondered whether anybody who has ever been to that place had any input on it. But it didn't matter, it was sleek and easy to digest so it took off. And then could be used as a traffic source for the other ventures under the same umbrella.

So the guy is now making half a million a year based on a site spreading completely useless and misleading information and riding the hope of a better life of newb digital nomads. Yes I am bitter that I am not his position. But I am also bitter that this is the kind of business practice that makes money nowadays.

Re: Pieter Levels Makes $600k a Year from Nomad List and Remote OK

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post #44

I don’t usually like to toot my own horn, but I make $600k/year off a plain HTML static site that isn’t even coded well, in-line CSS, many pages not responsive, broken links, etc.

What site is that? :)

I knew someone would ask. Sorry but I’m not gonna reveal it, don’t want competition.

I will say it’s been online for over a decade, information rich, with affiliate lead generation as the main source of income.

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