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Having watched a bunch of videos of people who bought NeXT computers recently, I can confirm that the shell they saw when running Terminal.app was csh. It would be a hell of a coincindence if all of them had happened to change from the default to csh.
Also MacOS switch to zsh was pretty recent (used to be bash). https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208050 Must have been some confusion here.
Fascinating that the conversation goes to zsh over bash. You'd think a decent Bluetooth risk tool was more relevant given the covid19 dependency on more bt always on and so more bt drive-by
I think the move of Kali Linux from bash to zsh is sane. I sometimes have to use the default shell of Linux distribution, especially on servers, and my main pain points with bash are: - The history is editable by default. If I move to a previous history line and change it, the old line disappears. Hitting Ctrl-c will remove it from the history. - If I use simultaneous shells (screen, tmux, or several ssh connections)…
Pause command - I usually hit home, insert a # then enter then man then get the command back and continue. Or tmux it. Didn't realise zsh had that shortcut.
Aren't the people who know and understand the tools they use, the same people who can install security utilities on any distro? What is the purpose of this distro in regards to that?
With a heavy heart I join the rest of the zsh discussion because these aren’t even factual: > You can do a lot of advanced things with bash, and customize it to do even more, but ZSH allows you to do even more. Bash can do a lot of things zsh can’t, and vice versa. > Fish is a nice shell (probably nicer than ZSH), but realistically it was not a real consideration due to the fact that it is not POSIX compatible. Neith…
Zsh isn’t posix compatible? Citation needed? Also what can bash do that zsh can’t? Genuinely curious, after using both for years.
I have noticed that a lot of the features listed in https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html#Major-Dif... aren't present in zsh, but I am not sure of all the ones that aren't in zsh.
Ones that I have used in bash that aren't in zsh (there may be many more, I stopped using zsh in many scenarios because of some of these):
* Some of https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html#Shell-Par... (e.g at least ${LOGNAME^^}, `(FOO=BAR;echo ${FOO,,})`)
* -p option to read for the prompt, e.g. `read -s -p "Enter the DB password: " PW`
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> - Oh-my-zsh has a lot of plugins for auto-completion As does bash-completion, which is available in many (but not all :-/) Linux distros and via Homebrew on MacOS and [pre-dates]( https://github.com/scop/bash-completion/tree/09b07d57a7031d9... ) [oh-my-zsh]( https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh/tree/5da20b9dddb1f7a91106... ) by about 6 years. But, zsh users and oh-my-zsh fan-boys seem to be entirely ignorant of bash-…
I never understand comments like these. Why do you have to twist this to be about "ignorant fan boys"? Not enough drama in the world already?
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> No way to pause a command and view the man. ^A, ^K, m, a, n, space, ^Y, enter. Upon exit, ^Y. > No way to set a command aside. ^A, ^K. Grab it again with ^Y. (Yes, these are all readline shortcuts. If you think they’re a bit long, bind them to something shorter in your inputrc.)
Do you actually use zsh? C-o and M-q and M-a and M-h and all the others are really nice, and as far as I know bash has nothing similar (correct me if I'm wrong). You don't NEED any of these niceties but they're very nice.
Fascinating that the conversation goes to zsh over bash. You'd think a decent Bluetooth risk tool was more relevant given the covid19 dependency on more bt always on and so more bt drive-by
I have to say this is the most disappointed I've been with a comment section in a while. Not that the comments are awful or in bad faith, it's just not got any of the topics I was hoping to read about.
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I never understand comments like these. Why do you have to twist this to be about "ignorant fan boys"? Not enough drama in the world already?
Sorry, but I've read too many posts that say "bash sucks, it doesn't do like zsh does".
Yours ain't it.