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Re: BOSS – The Next Step in our Open Search Ecosystem

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Post by joseakle » Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 4:14 PM UTC

dkasper wrote: post #8

joseakle wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm working on movie search as a side project and have been doing it via scraping

Are you guys avoiding using IMDb's data since it can't be used commercially? http://www.imdb.com/interfaces

yeah, too bad we need a written consent, i'm just scraping theater showtimes and will have to include links to imdb for more info, thankfully they let me do this "You are granted a limited, revocable, and nonexclusive right to create a hyperlink to IMDb.com" they are so generous for letting me link to them

Re: BOSS – The Next Step in our Open Search Ecosystem

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Post by sabat » Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 4:26 PM UTC

malpern wrote: post #10

Hi, my name is Micah Alpern and I work with the Yahoo! BOSS team. If you have any questions about BOSS or ideas for how we can make it even better please feel free drop in on the BOSS Yahoo! group: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ysearchboss/ There are a number of BOSS team members there who can answer you questions. You should also check out our Python based mash-up framework that makes it easy to blend search re…

Micah, thanks for checking in. BOSS is going to solve a problem I've had, and I'm sure it's going to be a boon for a lot of others.

Re: BOSS – The Next Step in our Open Search Ecosystem

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Post by aaronblohowiak » Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 10:17 PM UTC

nose wrote: post #4

wave wrote: post #2

Do they really mean unlimited queries? I think they need to do or say more to assure the developers they really meant unlimited. The API can be found at http://developer.yahoo.com/search/boss/boss_guide/index.html and it seems very simple: http://boss.yahooapis.com/ysearch/{vertical}/v1/{query}?appid=xyz[&param1=val1&param2=val2&etc] vertical - web , image , news... query - text query appid - your Yahoo application i…

You might find this helpful (#2, #15): http://developer.yahoo.com/search/boss/boss_guide/faq.html

also, "There are no rate limits on the number of queries per day" from http://developer.yahoo.net/blog/archives/2008/07/boss_the_ne...

Re: BOSS – The Next Step in our Open Search Ecosystem

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Post by aaronblohowiak » Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 10:22 PM UTC

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #9

I think acceptable BOSS usage can best be described as "anything that doesn't piss Y! off". Now, this may be a compromise between their lawyers and the host of innovative search offerings they can't put in a legal box at the moment, but I'm still hesitant to think this is all great. Looking through the TOS I also found this beauty (good luck writing a blog post announcing that you are now integrating BOSS search resu…

That is a beauty indeed. Instead of trying to describe the appropriate use of affiliation and risk being associated with ne'er-do-wells, they are just avoiding the problem entirely.

"Neither the name of the nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission." ~ bsd/mit licenses

Re: BOSS – The Next Step in our Open Search Ecosystem

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Post by IsaacSchlueter » Thu, Jul 10, 2008, 10:28 PM UTC

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #9

I think acceptable BOSS usage can best be described as "anything that doesn't piss Y! off". Now, this may be a compromise between their lawyers and the host of innovative search offerings they can't put in a legal box at the moment, but I'm still hesitant to think this is all great. Looking through the TOS I also found this beauty (good luck writing a blog post announcing that you are now integrating BOSS search resu…

Yeah, but that's the kind of "just in case" language that's rarely actually used if you're not being a jerk. There's a limit to what's actually enforceable.

If you wrote a blog post stating that you're using Yahoo's new BOSS service in your app, and showed the Yahoo logo there, and talked about how great it is, I sincerely doubt anyone at Yahoo would have a problem with that.

However, if you had an app that was specifically designed to phish passwords, and you put the Yahoo logo on it, and Yahoo sued you for inappropriate use of their IP, you couldn't even begin to claim that they gave you permission. This kind of legal language precludes them from appearing to even accidentally permit that kind of thing. It's just erring on the side of being cautious, which is expected, common, and responsible.

Re: BOSS – The Next Step in our Open Search Ecosystem

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Post by michaelbuckbee » Fri, Jul 11, 2008, 5:38 AM UTC

IsaacSchlueter wrote: post #15

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #9

I think acceptable BOSS usage can best be described as "anything that doesn't piss Y! off". Now, this may be a compromise between their lawyers and the host of innovative search offerings they can't put in a legal box at the moment, but I'm still hesitant to think this is all great. Looking through the TOS I also found this beauty (good luck writing a blog post announcing that you are now integrating BOSS search resu…

Yeah, but that's the kind of "just in case" language that's rarely actually used if you're not being a jerk. There's a limit to what's actually enforceable. If you wrote a blog post stating that you're using Yahoo's new BOSS service in your app, and showed the Yahoo logo there, and talked about how great it is, I sincerely doubt anyone at Yahoo would have a problem with that. However, if you had an app that was speci…

I agree with your interpretation (if you write positive stuff I don't think they'll complain), and I think they do have the right to just arbitrarily decide that someone is doing something bad and cut them off.

I don't like that they are saying that this is an open system, then laying down a legal trap where "everyone" who writes anything about the service would be in violation of their TOS. You can't have it both ways.

Re: BOSS – The Next Step in our Open Search Ecosystem

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Post by IsaacSchlueter » Sat, Jul 12, 2008, 2:57 AM UTC

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #16

IsaacSchlueter wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but that's the kind of "just in case" language that's rarely actually used if you're not being a jerk. There's a limit to what's actually enforceable. If you wrote a blog post stating that you're using Yahoo's new BOSS service in your app, and showed the Yahoo logo there, and talked about how great it is, I sincerely doubt anyone at Yahoo would have a problem with that. However, if you had an app that was speci…

I agree with your interpretation (if you write positive stuff I don't think they'll complain), and I think they do have the right to just arbitrarily decide that someone is doing something bad and cut them off. I don't like that they are saying that this is an open system, then laying down a legal trap where "everyone" who writes anything about the service would be in violation of their TOS. You can't have it both wa…

They're not trying to have it both ways.

They're saying, "Unless we have given you permission to use our IP, you don't have it."

It's not like Yahoo is claiming that BOSS is GPL'ed or anything. And even if it was FOSS, PHP has similar language in its license--you can't use the phrase "PHP" or the logo to endorse or promote any product without written permission.

Language like this in a license never trumps fair use anyhow.