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Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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Really at this point Apple control over app store is anti-competitive (and Google over play store), having to rely on community outrage to get stuff like this turned is ridiculous. They should create legislation to control access to all app stores to prevent this rent seeking - force app stores to treat all apps equally according to store defined guidelines (including store owners apps) - any submissions have to be r…

> They should create legislation to control access to all app stores to prevent this rent seeking You have a lot of faith in 60+ year old (mostly tech-illiterate men) to fix technology they don't understand. Government isn't the solution to this problem. Developers leaving the app store is probably only what will get Apple to change.

I have faith that politicians can task experts to come up with legislation. Politicians are of course not experts in all subject matters and one should not expect them to be.

Developers leave the app store for which alternative on iOS?

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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Really at this point Apple control over app store is anti-competitive (and Google over play store), having to rely on community outrage to get stuff like this turned is ridiculous. They should create legislation to control access to all app stores to prevent this rent seeking - force app stores to treat all apps equally according to store defined guidelines (including store owners apps) - any submissions have to be r…

> They should create legislation to control access to all app stores to prevent this rent seeking I assume by "they" you mean "each of the 175+ countries that the app stores operate in, most with slightly different rules that a software developer would need to understand?"

You mean they have to obey the laws of the countries they are selling things in? How is that in any way unreasonable?

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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> "But Android!" one might say, and once again, the analogy falls completely flat. The switching costs of going between iOS and Android are obviously not remotely comparable from the switching costs of going between Walmart and Target. When you move into iOS town, the only store within a thousand miles is the App Store. The analogy actually works quite nice, and you already hinted at how: the Android alternative is a…

> that one place you were in did only have one store with very restrictive rules and opening others is forbidden. See also: certificate-of-need laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_need > Accepting such a monopoly and arguing that "people are free to sell their houses, leave their friends and family behind and move elsewhere if they don't like it" doesn't really make it a monopoly is ridiculous. If only…

I am pretty sure that comparing the economics of healthcare and the economics of a hypermarket is like comparing apples to oranges. Same with comparison of healthcare and a virtual store selling smartphone apps.

Comparing a hypermarket selling all the physical stuff for everyday needs and a virtual store on a smartphone selling all the apps for everyday needs though...

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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Getting out of iOS dev was the best career decision I’ve ever made. My baseline level of stress and frustration has plummeted. I also enjoy using my Samsung Note much more than I ever did any iPhone. It feels like the training wheels have been taken off my phone. As developers I think we should all do what we can to nurture the open web. It’s the last truly developer friendly platform.

Apple more than anyone is hostile to the web. I still have a recurring iCloud charge I tried to cancel today. But I literally can't as it's not doable on any Apple website. You must use an Apple device or iTunes, neither of which I have.

Apple has instructions for canceling subscriptions from non-Apple devices: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202039

As a last resort (e.g. if all you have is an Arduino), they advise you to contact Apple support.

I'm pretty sure it would be unlawful to have no way to cancel other than with an Apple device.

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> For example Apple demand that app developers price their apps in the app store similar to the same service in other stores (website, Google play store, etc), even though they are taking a huge 30% cut. So Spotify can't price their product 30% more expensive in the app store False. You can price your app/IAP higher, you just can't tell the user it's cheaper elsewhere.

You can tell it's a well-functioning market because one participant is making money off of forced information asymmetries.

I doubt a traditional retailer would be happy if a manufacturer shipped a box to them with a label “Cheaper at Walmart/Amazon.com” either.

Information asymmetry exists in most markets and I don’t think that creates a justification for antitrust action under current law.

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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google killed my first app on which i worked for a year for copyright claims by rockstar games take two! it was in fair use with no commercial usage. free. it was an interactive map. all i used were the map and added my own icons and locations. since it was completely free it was under the fair usage right. i referred to the dozen other apps that had ads in them and all they said was just that one app is allowed doesn't mean another is too.

i was buffed at that statement. its a disgrace. my app had 120 k downloads in a year and people were loving it because no ads and useful. this is the state of app development. how long will we tolerate this!

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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> "But Android!" one might say, and once again, the analogy falls completely flat. The switching costs of going between iOS and Android are obviously not remotely comparable from the switching costs of going between Walmart and Target. When you move into iOS town, the only store within a thousand miles is the App Store. The analogy actually works quite nice, and you already hinted at how: the Android alternative is a…

> that one place you were in did only have one store with very restrictive rules and opening others is forbidden. See also: certificate-of-need laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_need > Accepting such a monopoly and arguing that "people are free to sell their houses, leave their friends and family behind and move elsewhere if they don't like it" doesn't really make it a monopoly is ridiculous. If only…

> If only. CON laws and their analogues form monopolies in the true sense - businesses who are protected from competition by law. But hey, what's wrong with that?

CONs are a tool - and they can be used for good, or used for bad. Obviously cases where they're misused will attract media attention and no-one thinks about why CONs exist in the first place:

I understand that CONs exist to prevent over-supply of medical services in one area to the detriment of another, or to prevent the inefficient - or inhumane - distribution of medical resources given the US' healthcare system and hospital builder's and operators motives.

In an economic sense: in poorer and rural areas you'll find higher rates of people being uninsured, which means the hospital will have to deal with more indigent patients which can be very expensive - without having enough wealthy patients effectively subsidizing the poorer patients. In the case of emergency care, federal law requires ER departments to treat everyone regardless of ability to pay or insurance which will be hugely expensive - and in non-emergency care you'll simply have fewer paying patients overall - meaning less revenue for a hospital - this means that even the most altruistically run non-profit hospital would rather set-up shop in a wealthier area than a poorer area. This then leads to poorer areas being under-served, which then leads to greater disparities in socioeconomic and quality-of-life outcomes. This is not good for a well-functioning society.

The other reason concerns the negative consequences of having hospitals competing with each other. I assume we all know that (and why) having two hospitals in the area will not result in lower sticker-prices for services or will necessarily improve the quality of the patient-experience (besides bigger marketing budgets...) - competing for patients is one thing, but when they start competing for staff, doctors, specialists - and competing for limited resources (e.g. Covid-19 test kits, medical supplies, etc) that pushes expenses up sharply. This is also not good.

So yes - just like the New York Taxi Cab Medallion system, the Certificate-of-Need system can also be used to artificially restrict supply for the worst reasons - but it has its place, and provided it's well-administered it will be essential to ensure certain efficiencies until the US gets its act together on healthcare like most of the developed world already has.

(If my understanding of the nature of CONs is incorrect, please let me know in a reply - I understand there's an increasing general consensus in academia and public-policy against CONs lately, but I'm also suspicious that people may conflate CON systems in some states that so-far appear to be working well with CON systems in states with a history of regulatory-capture and legislative abuse. Obviously I'd prefer non-CON to a poorly-run CON system, but from what I can tell a well-run CON system is better than non-CON).

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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You can tell it's a well-functioning market because one participant is making money off of forced information asymmetries.

I doubt a traditional retailer would be happy if a manufacturer shipped a box to them with a label “Cheaper at Walmart/Amazon.com” either. Information asymmetry exists in most markets and I don’t think that creates a justification for antitrust action under current law.

There is a difference between information asymmetry existing and deliberately creating one.

I don't think anyone should be allowed to use their market position to do that.

With regards to typical retail, I think that's a bit of a wonky analogy as it's not a competitor in this case, it's the company themselves. That being said, things like that have been done. Not exactly the same but in the same spirit is printing the "retail price" on the box to prevent 3rd party sellers from just charging whatever they want.

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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Well, at least Apple doesn't take a cut from restaurants for Apple Pay.

Apple collects 0.15% of all credit card transactions made through Apple Pay for US-based cards. The percentage is higher for the Apple Card, of course. https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-loses-key-mobile-payment... https://venturebeat.com/2018/05/10/apple-pay-credit-card-is-...

They take a cut from the banks (which may or may not be passed onto the retailer, I'm not sure).

Individual retailers do not form an agreement with Apple. Hell, retailers often don't even explicitly and individually support Apple Pay, it just comes through accepting standard contactless payments.

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