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Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by LamaOfRuin » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:11 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #286

SyneRyder wrote: post #279

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Perfectly fine. This is why the MSRP - Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price - or RRP, Recommended Retail Price, is common practice. The manufacturer publishes the suggested price on the box itself, so if a store tries overpricing by 30%, you know just by looking at the box that you're paying more than you should and should shop elsewhere. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/manufacturers-suggested...

Well, the App Store shows manufacturer suggested price. A manufacturer still doesn’t get to advertise the wholesale price nor do they get to advertise that you can get it cheaper somewhere else. I fail to see how the MSRP is relevant. The question was quite simple. Can I sell an item in Best Buy or GameStop and advertise in their store that a customer can get it cheaper online?

The App store advertises the app store price.

Your entire line of reasoning seems ridiculous to me, but even granting most of your premise, the wholesale price would be the price companies sell their software at with bulk discounts (purchasing 100+ seats instead of 1). What ancestors are referring to are the single unit sales price set by a company absent outside pricing interference by Apple, which is absolutely the MSRP equivalent.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by AsyncAwait » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:14 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #91

frabcus wrote: post #34

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Apple enforce the rules capriciously, and change them on a whim. Almost certainly, they allow Spotify and the NYT because iOS customers and potential customers would object too much if they were removed from the store. A well as the 30% tax making all apps worse in quality by removing money from development, the unpredictableness and unfairness destroys many businesses before they even start.

So even though I pointed to two well known cases where that isn’t true, you’re getting your information from where exactly? Yes and the 30% cut is moving money from poor Epic’s pockets so they can’t sell virtual coins for dance moves. Most money on the App Store comes from whales playing pay to win games like Candy Crush. You have no proof - not in the rules that are published or anywhere else. You can simply go to t…

Spotify, Netflix etc. are in a special category called "reader apps".

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by floatingatoll » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:18 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #70

detaro wrote: post #37

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Short version of the usual argument: GPL says you can't add restrictions on what a user can do when you distribute an app. App Store terms of service do add restrictions, so distributing an GPL app through the app store is a license violation.

You may opt out of the usual App Store restrictions for your application.

This is excellent news.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by AsyncAwait » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:19 PM UTC

wp381640 wrote: post #225

giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

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This is really sad. On the one hand, sure Apple should be able to make a cut on their app store, on the other hand, they shouldn't be allowed to force apps to do this sort of thing. This will only drive domain prices higher on iOS in order to compensate (in the case of Automattic). If I were in a position where Apple is forcing me to pay a 30% tax, I would literally add "30% Apple Tax" to the check out screen on top…

Counter argument: what would you think of vendors who list products on eBay or Amazon to only drive customers to their own website via the descriptions to avoid listing fees and commissions?

eBay and Amazon are not the only places one call sell things on. AppStore is the only way to reach millions of people.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by romanoderoma » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:22 PM UTC

zaroth wrote: post #155

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #92

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~3% or less.

~3% plus some fixed transaction fee. So for low dollar amount charges, like a $1.00 app purchase, the transaction fee can be > 30% (e.g. 2.9% + $0.30 on Stripe).

Right, but that stops there

At 1.2$ you already earn more then the Apple Store.

    $ 1.0 Apple: 0.7 Stripe: 0.671
    $ 1.1 Apple: 0.77 Stripe: 0.7681
    $ 1.2 Apple: 0.84 Stripe: 0.8652

So just make it 1.49 and you are good (you'll earn a full 10% more than with Apple)

Anyway even at 0.99 price tag (I think Apple doesn't allow 1$) it only 4.5% less, on a million unit sold the difference would be about 31,710 dollars (693,000 VS 661,290).

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by Razengan » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:28 PM UTC

nguyenkien wrote: post #251

Razengan wrote: post #244

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The only operating that still costs money and still spams its users with third-party ads. In any case, you can publish for macOS without paying Apple anything too, you just have to convince your users to bypass Gatekeeper for your app.

Apple also spam users with ads. And yes they devices is far more expensive

Apple does not put ads on any of their operating systems.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by dathinab » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:30 PM UTC

georgespencer wrote: post #181

dathinab wrote: post #140

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They do so implicit, then moment is visible to the user that they can buy thinking cheaper elsewhere Apple will cause trouble. I.e. you are not allowed to be transparent with pricing.

This is literally not true: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24239143

No it is, you are allowed to sell for more but you are not allowed to be transparent about it.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:34 PM UTC

wolco wrote: post #138

fermienrico wrote: post #41

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I am thinking of getting a Mac and iPad too now. Apple's whole game is to make profit from hardware and their services, not ads. Even if Apple charged - $50/month privacy fee to keep things secure, I am fine with it. I'd pay twice as much for an iPhone - at $2000 even - something that keeps everything about my life secure - I have no problems paying for it.

You are the perfect rare customer. You will pay crazy amounts higher than market rates in order to get a safe feeling. You would probably pay a $500.00 a month privacy fee.

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Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by dathinab » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:38 PM UTC

dwaite wrote: post #174

dathinab wrote: post #139

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Oh, but they also require you to sell thinks for the same price! It at least they do for some goods.

reference?

My bad, I was wrong about that.

Through they do have a rule that anything which discourages buying in Apple is forbidden.

And what that means is very open for interpretation.

What we know is that normally you get in trouble if you are transparent about your pricing.

Edit: Fixed phone autocorrect moving up words.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by scarface74 » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:44 PM UTC

AsyncAwait wrote: post #302

scarface74 wrote: post #91

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So even though I pointed to two well known cases where that isn’t true, you’re getting your information from where exactly? Yes and the 30% cut is moving money from poor Epic’s pockets so they can’t sell virtual coins for dance moves. Most money on the App Store comes from whales playing pay to win games like Candy Crush. You have no proof - not in the rules that are published or anywhere else. You can simply go to t…

Spotify, Netflix etc. are in a special category called "reader apps".

You’re conflating separate issues.

Controversy #1: some apps are allowed to be in the store and not have in app subscriptions but aren’t allowed to say how you subscribe - Netflix and Spotify come under the “reader apps” exemption and Hey didn’t.

Controversy #2: Epic isn’t allowed to have in app purchases that bypass the App Store.

Non Controversy #1: there is no rule against having different prices in an outside of the store. This has nothing to do with “reader apps”.

All of the loss of fake internet points doesn’t make a provable fact incorrect.

Go to App Store and look at NYT price. Then go to the website, the price is different.