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Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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An article about blockchain where the thesis is that it doesn't solve any problems and it doesn't even mention Ethereum? This article is extremely poorly researched (maybe on purpose) and reads like clickbait.

I complete agree. Not mentioning ICOs (a way for projects and companies to raise money) and not mentioning DeFi (a way to lend and borrow money). I can't really take this publication seriously.

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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If you notice, the primary arguments against blockchain and crypto require holding it to a standard higher than any asset class in existence. Its a mixture of “I don't respect this market and thats the only actual distinction” along with “I have no idea these criticisms are present in actual currencies as well as the stock market and commodities spot markets and credit market and derivatives market and collectibles m…

Not everyone is an uninformed cynic. I founded a crypto gambling startup and advised and managed ICOs for dozens of companies and syndicates. Most economic activity in Defi is unregulated gambling, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

> Not everyone is an uninformed cynic.

There are relevant criticisms of the space, but the relevant ones are exclusively inside the space and are distinctly not irreconcilable as it is permissionless to build or advocate for consensus changes to implement something that was built.

The external criticisms lack nuance and masquerade their observations as absolute limitations.

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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I don't know if you've seen the stock market lately... clearly the largest casino in the world is on Wall Street. But anyways, DeFi has tons of use cases including automated crop insurance based on weather events, decentralized money markets for car loans, tokenized rental real estate, synthetic derivatives, standard savings and loans utilizing stablecoins, etc etc. The notion that blockchain hasn't found product mar…

What percentage of defi assets are used for the purposes you described vs speculation? It's difficult to analyze rigorously but I could give you a lower bound on speculation by looking at interday altcoin movement on makerdao and compound. I think it's completely fair to characterize defi as "predominantly speculation", which I've editorialized into "unregulated gambling".

> I think it's completely fair to characterize defi as "predominantly speculation", which I've editorialized into "unregulated gambling".

You replied to my other comment, so this is exhibit A of a useless higher standard levied exclusively on the blockchain space, without acknowledging every other asset class.

Even with you not considering that a problem, and congratulations for that, the point in caring deflects away from what is happening and every asset class in existence.

In currencies, M0 is the small sliver of the supply use for goods and services, with the entire M1, M2, MB all used for speculation and is largely illiquid.

In stocks, credit, derivatives and commodities the same distribution is seen.

Its not odd for cryptoassets to have the same phenomenon occurring.

The interesting thing is just the overlapping feature set of all other asset classes at once, as well as the additional unique nature of cryptoassets.

The DeFi space in particular is converting non-interest bearing assets into interest bearing ones. That has market traction, and it is permissionless and of unlimited size, caveat emptor and that's a personal choice which has nothing to do with the viability of the space.

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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I'm really surprised by how uneducated most of HN are about blockchain. This means we're still early. Few big things that are coming out of blockchain; 1) ICO - a way to raise money in a distributed manner outside the traditional financial system (think Banks and VCs). 2) Defi - a way to borrow and lend (and much more) outside the traditional financial system. One example, Banks get as much as 16-20% return on your d…

What even surprising is lots of HNers are really strongly against blockchain projects while YCombinator themselves have invested in several blockchain projects[1]

[1]https://www.ycombinator.com/companies?query=cryptocurrency

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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post #139

I'm really surprised by how uneducated most of HN are about blockchain. This means we're still early. Few big things that are coming out of blockchain; 1) ICO - a way to raise money in a distributed manner outside the traditional financial system (think Banks and VCs). 2) Defi - a way to borrow and lend (and much more) outside the traditional financial system. One example, Banks get as much as 16-20% return on your d…

Many benefits in voting?

Like once you figure out who is who, everybody can know for whom everybody voted?

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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post #139

I'm really surprised by how uneducated most of HN are about blockchain. This means we're still early. Few big things that are coming out of blockchain; 1) ICO - a way to raise money in a distributed manner outside the traditional financial system (think Banks and VCs). 2) Defi - a way to borrow and lend (and much more) outside the traditional financial system. One example, Banks get as much as 16-20% return on your d…

What is an ICO really - just a company minting tokens for people that they can exchange for something. They're not using any of the properties of blockchain, and no one is running nodes except for the company itself. They should just sell digital tokens via traditional ecommerce methods - nothing about ICOs depends on or takes advantage of being on a blockchain.

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

#147
post #139

I'm really surprised by how uneducated most of HN are about blockchain. This means we're still early. Few big things that are coming out of blockchain; 1) ICO - a way to raise money in a distributed manner outside the traditional financial system (think Banks and VCs). 2) Defi - a way to borrow and lend (and much more) outside the traditional financial system. One example, Banks get as much as 16-20% return on your d…

Pretty presumptuous to assume that we are “uneducated” about blockchain to be dismissive of it, rather than being educated but simply believing that the conditions required for blockchain solutions to be better (for a given utility function) than centralized solutions are actually very rarely found in real-life combinations of scenarios and utility functions. Like reversible transactions: I love that transactions are reversible in the real-world (Even erroneous cash transactions are sometimes reversible through courts) because I know I can fat-finger something.

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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Why is being peer-reviewed what Cardano fans always lede with? That doesn’t automatically make something “better”, IMO. Also, what even uses Cardano? Project has been “in progress” for years and all I’ve seen are photos of Hoskinson with his mouth open taking selfies in various parts of the world. Algorand is probably the best project right now in crypto aside from ZCash that’s an actual contender against ETH (discla…

I really fail to see why it being peer reviewed is not a strong point in favor of the project. If blockchains are supposed to be something other tech is supposed to be built on top of, then shouldn't it be build with the help of the scientific method? Breaking things moving fast doesn't work all the time you know ? >>photos of Hoskinson with his mouth open taking selfies in various parts of the world Honestly don't r…

Because peer review doesn't mean nearly as much for the credibility of something as people think it does. It basically just means two other qualified people looked over the research and said "There are no obvious flaws in methodology or reasoning," it doesn't mean that the reviewers verified every claim made or that they agree with the conclusions reached.

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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post #139

I'm really surprised by how uneducated most of HN are about blockchain. This means we're still early. Few big things that are coming out of blockchain; 1) ICO - a way to raise money in a distributed manner outside the traditional financial system (think Banks and VCs). 2) Defi - a way to borrow and lend (and much more) outside the traditional financial system. One example, Banks get as much as 16-20% return on your d…

What even surprising is lots of HNers are really strongly against blockchain projects while YCombinator themselves have invested in several blockchain projects[1] [1] https://www.ycombinator.com/companies?query=cryptocurrency

Interestingly, all of those either use cryptocurrencies as an investment, or merely provide cryptocurrency-based tools (of questionable utility), and leave the problem-solving to their users.

Why mine (fool's) gold when you can sell shovels?

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone is an uninformed cynic. I founded a crypto gambling startup and advised and managed ICOs for dozens of companies and syndicates. Most economic activity in Defi is unregulated gambling, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

> Not everyone is an uninformed cynic. There are relevant criticisms of the space, but the relevant ones are exclusively inside the space and are distinctly not irreconcilable as it is permissionless to build or advocate for consensus changes to implement something that was built. The external criticisms lack nuance and masquerade their observations as absolute limitations.

..... Honestly have no idea what you're saying. I'm actively involved in the Compound community contributing "inside", but I don't think that matters. Outside criticism isn't automatically invalid just because it comes from outside.
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