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Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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Looking at all the comments here I have a single response to most of them: I'll call it a solution when it is implemented. You can talk all you want about solutions to some of the (minor) problems addressed here (ignoring the rest of the problems) but unless it is in use then the article's commentary still stands. Unless it has a ton of users, the article's commentary still stands. If you really do believe in block c…

Number mobility between Indian telecoms runs on private blockchain. AFAIK it is live and actively used. BC solves a problem there because operating a database for that scale would be very complicated. So every telco has their own copy that get synced via a consensus mechanism and signed transactions

> BC solves a problem there because operating a database for that scale would be very complicated.

Would it, though? Google tells me that India has a population of around 1.4 billion people. Let's assume each person has one phone number, and each phone number requires one kilobyte of number-mobility-related data. Then the database would need to store 1.4 terabytes of information.

1.4 terabytes doesn't seem like an impossible amount of data to store. That fits on a consumer hard drive! Dell will sell you a single server with that much memory! Request volume doesn't seem like a huge issue either, since porting a phone number is something people do extremely rarely.

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

#133
Here's a problem that blockchain solves - financial censorship.

If you want to buy a 4chan pass, you'll find there is no option to pay in EUR or USD. Cryptocurrency only. Is this because 4chan is operating an illegal business? No. It's because they cannot process payments using the traditional means.

Controversial websites get financially censored all the time. Here are a few that come to mind: Kiwi Farms, Wikileaks, Backpage, 8chan, Bitchute, American Renaissance. I'm sure other commentators can chime in with more. Calling blockchains a solution to nothing is pretty offensive to the those who rely on it to pay their expenses without another realistic option.

Not to mention, anonymous cryptocurrencies such as Monero protect both the recipient -and- the sender from financial censorship. I wouldn't want to end up on a public list or have my bank account closed for donating to a controversial person or organization.

And Monero could not provide the excellent privacy that it does without a distributed ledger authenticated by proof of work. When a Monero user spends money, he randomly samples the blockchain until ten dummy transactions can be found and combined with his real transaction in a construct called a ring signature used to obscure the true sender. This only works because the user can secure his own copy of the blockchain. If he had to ask someone else for those dummy transactions, that someone else could use process of elimination to identify the authentic transaction in the user's ring signature.

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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Saifedean Ammous writes pretty convincingly how a fixed money supply would be a good thing. I don’t know of any other unique benefit. It will be interesting to see how it plays out with nation states and diminishing block rewards. I’m holding a little bit just in case.

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

#135

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These technologies try to solve for a lack of trust and avoiding regulation. This use case combination is exceptionally rare (as Animats enumerates, drugs, ransoms, and money laundering). As long as you have a functioning legal framework, financial distributed ledgers and smart contracts have very little value (what happens when a judge overrides your smart contract’s evaluation and result? A fork each time? The law…

How is a judge going to override a blockchain state update? He may as well rule the planet to stop spinning.

People are ultimately responsible, and people are ultimately held accountable. Disrupting nodes or node network traffic, 51% attacks, and proverbial rubber hoses are all options.

If Iran, Venezuela, and North Korea can barely avoid sanctions what makes you think a blockchain network can avoid something similar?

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

#136

Looking at all the comments here I have a single response to most of them: I'll call it a solution when it is implemented. You can talk all you want about solutions to some of the (minor) problems addressed here (ignoring the rest of the problems) but unless it is in use then the article's commentary still stands. Unless it has a ton of users, the article's commentary still stands. If you really do believe in block c…

Number mobility between Indian telecoms runs on private blockchain. AFAIK it is live and actively used. BC solves a problem there because operating a database for that scale would be very complicated. So every telco has their own copy that get synced via a consensus mechanism and signed transactions

> private blockchain

So a database?

> AFAIK it is live and actively used.

Most things people seem to think are running on blockchain tech turn out not to be, so I'd be interested in any evidence here. Nonetheless.

> operating a database for that scale would be very complicated

They're already operating a database, so at most this is an argument that a traditional database tech wouldn't work, except...

...this is only a few billion rows, at most, right? With minimal data? It would totally, totally work. We're at a scale where a copy of "MySQL for dummies" is going to explain everything you need to know here. A moderately large number of people in this thread probably work for companies that have traditional databases that work at a larger scale or with higher demands than this.

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

#138

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How is a judge going to override a blockchain state update? He may as well rule the planet to stop spinning.

People are ultimately responsible, and people are ultimately held accountable. Disrupting nodes or node network traffic, 51% attacks, and proverbial rubber hoses are all options. If Iran, Venezuela, and North Korea can barely avoid sanctions what makes you think a blockchain network can avoid something similar?

How would the authorities know who to look for?

Ethereum is becoming increasingly anonymous. While not as good as Monero, it's still trivial to go in and out anonymously.

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

#139
I'm really surprised by how uneducated most of HN are about blockchain. This means we're still early. Few big things that are coming out of blockchain;

1) ICO - a way to raise money in a distributed manner outside the traditional financial system (think Banks and VCs).

2) Defi - a way to borrow and lend (and much more) outside the traditional financial system. One example, Banks get as much as 16-20% return on your depoiste -- you might see 1% of that. Defi solves that by removing the Bank and you can capture all of that yield. You can lend literally with a click of a button and see returns with every mined block. Take the money back any time you want.

3) Governance - there is a big social benefit if we figure out all the edge cases and the correct implementation. Many benefits in voting, real-world governance, and open source (what to work on next, what gets funding).

4) Many many Comp. Sci. and Cryptology advances; see byzantine general problem, zero-knowledge proof, and many more. Just one example of a company doing lots of research: https://iohk.io/en/research/library/

Re: Blockchain, the Solution for Almost Nothing

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Take a look at cardano. They have implemented a blockchain that is backed by peer reviewed [1] research, the article here talks about how the blockchain takes a huge amount of resources to run. The people at the cardano project has managed to enable people to even run a full block producing node on something as small as a pi[2][3]. So far from all the blockchain projects I am interested in, this is my favorite one so…

Why is being peer-reviewed what Cardano fans always lede with? That doesn’t automatically make something “better”, IMO. Also, what even uses Cardano? Project has been “in progress” for years and all I’ve seen are photos of Hoskinson with his mouth open taking selfies in various parts of the world. Algorand is probably the best project right now in crypto aside from ZCash that’s an actual contender against ETH (discla…

I really fail to see why it being peer reviewed is not a strong point in favor of the project. If blockchains are supposed to be something other tech is supposed to be built on top of, then shouldn't it be build with the help of the scientific method? Breaking things moving fast doesn't work all the time you know ?

>>photos of Hoskinson with his mouth open taking selfies in various parts of the world

Honestly don't really know how to answer this. For someone who isn't interested in cardano you seem spend a lot of time stalking a blockchain ceo ;)

>> disclaimer: I hold none of either

congratulations!

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