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Notes from a Flat Earth Conference

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Re: Notes from a Flat Earth Conference

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Any Christian apologetics web site. Or your local church.

I was hoping for something more precise tbh. Christian apologetics web sites and local churches also offer answers to lots of questions I don't care about, so if you already sifted through them, I was hoping you could share that advantage with the broader public.

Try searching for "why Christianity".

Re: Notes from a Flat Earth Conference

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post #161

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I was hoping for something more precise tbh. Christian apologetics web sites and local churches also offer answers to lots of questions I don't care about, so if you already sifted through them, I was hoping you could share that advantage with the broader public.

Try searching for "why Christianity".

I broke my rule of ignoring people who bait and don't deliver and did a quick search. All 4 results from the 1st search page:

- https://www.livingwaters.com/why-christianity/ seems to short-circuit back into "god-given rule"

- https://carm.org/atheism/why-believe-christianity-over-all-o... assumes the Bible as a historical source of truth

- http://www.gospeloutreach.net/whychristianity.html - quotes beauty not present in atheism, otherwise Bible as a historical source

- https://creation.com/why-christianity says Christianity correctly diagnoses a humanity's fault (moral inconsistency), and then declares it superior because of which solution it chooses

They don't seem to answer "why is Christianity the source of meaning", but rather "why choose Christianity as religion", which is a different question, so I might have misrepresented them. Either way, none of them seem very logically conclusive to me.

Re: Notes from a Flat Earth Conference

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post #161

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Try searching for "why Christianity".

I broke my rule of ignoring people who bait and don't deliver and did a quick search. All 4 results from the 1st search page: - https://www.livingwaters.com/why-christianity/ seems to short-circuit back into "god-given rule" - https://carm.org/atheism/why-believe-christianity-over-all-o... assumes the Bible as a historical source of truth - http://www.gospeloutreach.net/whychristianity.html - quotes beauty not presen…

> They don't seem to answer "why is Christianity the source of meaning", but rather "why choose Christianity as religion"

That's right. The original question was:

> Why would some point of existence or meaning lead specifically to Christianity?

If you want to know "why is Christianity the source of meaning" that's an easier question to answer: it's because the omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent Creator of the Universe loves you, and will give you everlasting life in paradise conditioned only on your acceptance of His sacrifice on the cross. Or something like that.

Re: Notes from a Flat Earth Conference

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You may be reaching(Watch yourself Love) for objective coherentism ( https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth-coherence/ ) Coherence arises out of Love.

Is this a landmark forum type of thing you're promoting?

You mean Scientology-Lite? Those folks are lit, love them.

Nah, you see, promotion is very much based in spacetime, a fourth dimensional manifold. The speed of light in this system is much too slow for my preference. And the desire systems to ride those rainbows of light are very rudimentary and will never fulfill their sirens promise, no matter where you look.

May the Sun Open upon you, May it fill your Heart with a radiance so brilliant that it breaks infinitely only to fill the cracks with the Love that is you, May You Be Love.

Re: Notes from a Flat Earth Conference

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I broke my rule of ignoring people who bait and don't deliver and did a quick search. All 4 results from the 1st search page: - https://www.livingwaters.com/why-christianity/ seems to short-circuit back into "god-given rule" - https://carm.org/atheism/why-believe-christianity-over-all-o... assumes the Bible as a historical source of truth - http://www.gospeloutreach.net/whychristianity.html - quotes beauty not presen…

> They don't seem to answer "why is Christianity the source of meaning", but rather "why choose Christianity as religion" That's right. The original question was: > Why would some point of existence or meaning lead specifically to Christianity? If you want to know "why is Christianity the source of meaning" that's an easier question to answer: it's because the omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent Creator of the…

I think that's not actually the point that was made by cma (and my paraphrased question was imprecise).

"Why would some point of existence or meaning lead specifically to Christianity?" presumes starting with no preferred solution: "existence has a meaning. Who discovered it?". It's much more interesting than "Christianity says existence has a meaning. What makes it right?"

Re: Notes from a Flat Earth Conference

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> They don't seem to answer "why is Christianity the source of meaning", but rather "why choose Christianity as religion" That's right. The original question was: > Why would some point of existence or meaning lead specifically to Christianity? If you want to know "why is Christianity the source of meaning" that's an easier question to answer: it's because the omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent Creator of the…

I think that's not actually the point that was made by cma (and my paraphrased question was imprecise). "Why would some point of existence or meaning lead specifically to Christianity?" presumes starting with no preferred solution: "existence has a meaning. Who discovered it?". It's much more interesting than "Christianity says existence has a meaning. What makes it right?"

> existence has a meaning. Who discovered it?

If you're looking for the Christian answer to this, it is: no one discovered it. The meaning of life is not discoverable knowledge. It is instead revealed by God.

Re: Notes from a Flat Earth Conference

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I've been spending quite a bit of time interacting with the young-earth creationist community on Reddit and YouTube. It is closely related to flat-earth, though there is one significant difference: YEC is overtly religious, and specifically Christian. Other than that many of the forms of argument are the same. From that experience I have made two observations: 1. These people are not idiots (at least the YECs aren't,…

> one of the reasons that the secular world is having such a hard time effectively resisting these movements

It depends on the country. These movements are non - existant in France for instance. When we hear of them or is usually about the ones in the US (I do not think I heard about another country).

When we hear of them it is because something happened (the death of one of the leaders who blew up in his rocket IIRC), never because we have a hard time resisting them.

Out of curiosity I search in French for flat earth. All the hits are about the US (and sometimes UK) based movement.

This is the same for the young earth one, and creationism generally speaking.

But fear not, we have homeopathy as a national sport (and plenty of other alternative "medicine", taken seriously here)

Re: Notes from a Flat Earth Conference

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I've been spending quite a bit of time interacting with the young-earth creationist community on Reddit and YouTube. It is closely related to flat-earth, though there is one significant difference: YEC is overtly religious, and specifically Christian. Other than that many of the forms of argument are the same. From that experience I have made two observations: 1. These people are not idiots (at least the YECs aren't,…

> one of the reasons that the secular world is having such a hard time effectively resisting these movements It depends on the country. These movements are non - existant in France for instance. When we hear of them or is usually about the ones in the US (I do not think I heard about another country). When we hear of them it is because something happened (the death of one of the leaders who blew up in his rocket IIRC…

> These movements are non - existant in France

I think they exist but just have a different flavor. In the U.S. we have Christian extremists, in France you have Muslim extremists.

Re: Notes from a Flat Earth Conference

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> one of the reasons that the secular world is having such a hard time effectively resisting these movements It depends on the country. These movements are non - existant in France for instance. When we hear of them or is usually about the ones in the US (I do not think I heard about another country). When we hear of them it is because something happened (the death of one of the leaders who blew up in his rocket IIRC…

> These movements are non - existant in France I think they exist but just have a different flavor. In the U.S. we have Christian extremists, in France you have Muslim extremists.

Sure, there are religious extremists (and we painfully felt it ove the terrorist attacks).

I was talking about either flat earth, or the idea that earth is young. These are concepts which are completely foreign to France and not even carried by the religious extremists (maybe someone is telling this, but they have zero traction).

Specifically, I was commenting on

> one of the reasons that the secular world is having such a hard time effectively resisting these movements

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