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Perhaps they can publish Dijkstra's little gem[1] on the Pythagorean theorem? He explicitly asks what journal would publish such a triviality. However it's a really neat little bit of reasoning and I quite enjoyed it.

[1] https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD09xx/E...

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Is it normal for journals to charge a fee for publishing?

This is normal practice. To publish in a respectable journal you are charged £1000+. To publish your paper as open access, you can be charged another ~£1000 for the privledge (IEEE).

I think it's laughable they still charge extra for color pictures.

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We should have less transparency, not more. Right now the peer review process is single-blind, but it really should be double-blind. Even if someone doesn't have a PhD or work at a research institution, they should be able to publish good science. Right now, that just isn't possible. And the opposite problem is also true: if you're a big shot in your field, you'll be able to find at least one journal that will publis…

Getting that benefit only requires double-blinding during the review process. There’s no reason that both sides of the blinding cannot be removed (and also revealed to third parties) after the review process is complete.

You can't think of any reason? What about retaliation for being the less enthusiastic reviewer? What about the opposite, that you become known for being an easy reviewer who missed some obvious flaws?

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Half of my PhD thesis is considered "unpublishable" because, after doing the work, my supervisors felt it's actually "unsurprising" that it didn't work out. We took methods that had been exploited to improve on previous results for over a decade to their logical extreme, and found that this method no longer leads to improvements. After doing the work it seems obvious. A paper on the subject would almost be considered…

IMO, nowadays top-tier conference paper tends to focus too much on telling an interesting story. This makes researchers only show the surprising result in the paper. The unsurprising one is hardly mentioned.

However, the uninteresting part would definitely help others to not make the same mistake. The uninteresting result is still result (and contribution), isn't it?

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Why don’t research groups just publish to their own websites or directories like arxiv? What’s the role of an academic journal in 2020? Honest question, I’d love to see more blogging from hard science academics but I’m wondering if there’s a reason why that’s challenging or if it’s just academic culture. We should have a Substack/OnlyFans for scientists.

Speaking from my own experience in the physical sciences, labs don't self publish unsurprising results because there are only so many hours in the day and it's not worth the effort. Even just putting the results on your own website is a lot of work. Pulling all of the data together, analyzing it, putting it in visuals, writing up the results. It can be hard to justify committing that much time to something where the…

That, and on the other side of the equation, there’s not enough time to read the stack of papers I already know to be deeply interesting. I could read in my subfield of neuroscience 24/7 and never catch up with the deluge of new, interesting, and high quality work. I agree that negative results should be publishable, but the whole incentive system in science must change to accommodate that.

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Why don’t research groups just publish to their own websites or directories like arxiv? What’s the role of an academic journal in 2020? Honest question, I’d love to see more blogging from hard science academics but I’m wondering if there’s a reason why that’s challenging or if it’s just academic culture. We should have a Substack/OnlyFans for scientists.

There are sociology studies, published in closed journals, that detail the positive impacts that public libraries have on communities. The PhDs of that field must either be (1) blind to the irony, (2) totally resigned to this state of affairs, or (3) themselves complicit as managers of closed journals. One more indictment: I'll bet they're all extremely depressed about how scientifically illiterate the general popula…

Well said. I don’t understand why public institutions at the very least aren’t required to share their research. And considering that the majority of higher ed public or private wouldn’t last a day without federal backed loans, I’m not sure only public institutions should be held to this fire.

I take actual pleasure in pirating research papers.

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Hmm... it seems like this would be a good thing for undergrads to do in a class setting or an internship. It would give them experience writing an actual paper, albeit with null results.

It would require a lot of babysitting. Some objects have a few slightly different definitions (for example,one book has a definition, and the other book the definition is 1/2 of that). Sometimes the programs to run the calculations don't use the same variables than the paper (perhaps the team changed the opinion, or the main reference, and the graph must show x+y vs y). Sometimes the work that should be included in t…

Yep, and it’s not really how authorship is supposed to work.

The hard part here is that communicating any idea clearly to an audience takes massive effort, and usually null results, unless quite interesting in a specific context, are naturally a lower priority.

I’m currently working on a paper built around what I believe to be a fascinating null result though...

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Half of my PhD thesis is considered "unpublishable" because, after doing the work, my supervisors felt it's actually "unsurprising" that it didn't work out. We took methods that had been exploited to improve on previous results for over a decade to their logical extreme, and found that this method no longer leads to improvements. After doing the work it seems obvious. A paper on the subject would almost be considered…

Sounds like a Columbus' Egg kind of situation. Your conclusions may be obvious in retrospect, but they weren't obvious at the time that you chose to pursue them and your supervisors gave you their blessing.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is normal practice. To publish in a respectable journal you are charged £1000+. To publish your paper as open access, you can be charged another ~£1000 for the privledge (IEEE).

I think it's laughable they still charge extra for color pictures.

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