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New academic journal only publishes 'unsurprising' research rejected by others

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#11

We also need a journal to publish methods that failed. I did so much work during my PhD that was dead end and is not documented.

Chemistry is so bad for this. That and how everything is behind a paywall that only multinationals and universities have access too.

Re: New academic journal only publishes 'unsurprising' research rejected by others

#12

We also need a journal to publish methods that failed. I did so much work during my PhD that was dead end and is not documented.

I support this. Although a journal may not accept that kind of work, you can still publish it in your blog.

Re: New academic journal only publishes 'unsurprising' research rejected by others

#14
Half of my PhD thesis is considered "unpublishable" because, after doing the work, my supervisors felt it's actually "unsurprising" that it didn't work out. We took methods that had been exploited to improve on previous results for over a decade to their logical extreme, and found that this method no longer leads to improvements. After doing the work it seems obvious. A paper on the subject would almost be considered uninteresting, and a high ranking journal would ignore it (which is why it's considered "unpublishable"). However, nobody has published this information, and it would help others to not make the same mistake.

I wonder how many times similar "mistakes" have been made by PhD students across disciplines.

Re: New academic journal only publishes 'unsurprising' research rejected by others

#16

We also need a journal to publish methods that failed. I did so much work during my PhD that was dead end and is not documented.

there was a journal of negative results in biomedicine, but i don't think they've published since 2017.

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post #3

I like the idea but I don't really get why they accept "statistically insignificant" results. What I expect from a scientific paper is to prove (even emprically) something. For example, if a paper claims something like "we show that using method X instead of Y doesn't improve the results", it won't get published on most journals... except this one, which is awesome, but the paper still has to prove that claim.

You can't ever prove that switching to X doesn't change the result. All you can really hope for is putting smaller limits on the amount by which something could be improved.

For one dumb example: if you wanted to see if rats can fly, you might observe 100 rats and see that none of them fly away. But this doesn't prove anything: in reality even if 3% of rats could fly you'd get this result about 5% of the time. You've really shown with 95% confidence is that less than 3% of rats fly.

Re: New academic journal only publishes 'unsurprising' research rejected by others

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post #3

I like the idea but I don't really get why they accept "statistically insignificant" results. What I expect from a scientific paper is to prove (even emprically) something. For example, if a paper claims something like "we show that using method X instead of Y doesn't improve the results", it won't get published on most journals... except this one, which is awesome, but the paper still has to prove that claim.

Doesn't "statistically insignificant" mean papers which conclude something like "we find no correlation between X and Y"?

I think information like that is perhaps useful, at least to avoid wasting time repeating the same research, but publishing that does not prove that there's no correlation between X and Y, only that the things tested didn't show one.

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#19

Half of my PhD thesis is considered "unpublishable" because, after doing the work, my supervisors felt it's actually "unsurprising" that it didn't work out. We took methods that had been exploited to improve on previous results for over a decade to their logical extreme, and found that this method no longer leads to improvements. After doing the work it seems obvious. A paper on the subject would almost be considered…

That sucks to hear. Null results are important, as you say, if only to dissuade others from doing the same.

See also the "file-drawer problem" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publication_bias). Also, with regards to the incentives in the field and the lack of null results, there's always Ioannidis's classic work (https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo...).

Re: New academic journal only publishes 'unsurprising' research rejected by others

#20
The challenge of modern academia in certain fields is not to publish but to be read by others. Everyone is so busy publishing that very few papers get decent readership (retweets and citations happen mostly without reading the substance).

I would rather have an upper limit on the number of papers one can publish in a year than more avenues to publish unsubstantial findings.

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