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Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by silviogutierrez »

vkou wrote: post #674
silviogutierrez wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A while ago — and I have no citations for this — I read it was easier to just pay for private rides for every accessible person than to make NYC and SF's public transportation accessible. Yes, in perpetuity. Considerably cheaper, too. Why then, go through the effort? Because they should be integrated into society like all others. I firmly believe public transportation has benefits beyond efficiency. Something about a…

> A while ago — and I have no citations for this — I read it was easier to just pay for private rides for every accessible person than to make NYC and SF's public transportation accessible. Yes, in perpetuity. Considerably cheaper, too. 1. Accessibility doesn't just benefit wheel-chair bound people. Accessibility benefits just about anyone who has temporary difficulty walking, is carrying heavy or bulky things, is ou…

I firmly agree on #1. In fact, my piano tuner is not wheelchair-bound and that was a white lie. My apologies. He was born blind.

#2: Normally I would strongly disagree. It's a NYC trope to say our subway is in shambles because pick one of: the city is old, the city is dense, the subway runs 24/7, and so on. And yet Paris, London, and other ancient subways run better and make cheaper and faster improvements.

But looking around, it seems like accessibility is very poor for London and Paris too. So you're right. They all have this in common. In fact, NYC may even be ahead[1]

However, going on a real tangent here, with the crazy amounts of money we spend or even with quantitative easing[2], I feel like we could try novel concepts like shutting down entire city blocks for months at a time and compensate everyone involved. Yes, crazy prices, but who knows?

[1] https://www.citymetric.com/transport/what-paris-metro-map-lo...

[2] Instead of propping up bonds and equities, prop up infrastructure?

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by mike00632 »

PHGamer wrote: post #730
seankimdesign wrote: post #699

Kudos on that moral victory California. You robbed my mobility-impaired younger sister of her legs without providing any alternative. Fuck your sorry excuse of public transit filled with gawkers and requiring her to wonder whether there will be connected sidewalks for her to solve her last-two-mile trip on her chair. "Oh, but Uber and Lyft were brought down by their own greed" Well, where is the non-greedy alternativ…

moral victory? this is government overreach. people set their own hours. they are contractors not employees. the government changed the rules not because they care for you but because they collect more taxes from employers than contractors.

But they can't set their own rates.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by manfredo »

codefreakxff wrote: post #747
seankimdesign wrote: post #699

Kudos on that moral victory California. You robbed my mobility-impaired younger sister of her legs without providing any alternative. Fuck your sorry excuse of public transit filled with gawkers and requiring her to wonder whether there will be connected sidewalks for her to solve her last-two-mile trip on her chair. "Oh, but Uber and Lyft were brought down by their own greed" Well, where is the non-greedy alternativ…

It's called a Taxi. They will drive to your location, pick you up, and take you anywhere you want to go.

Right, except now instead of having the option of taxis and ride share companies she can only use taxis which have artificially inflated prices due to constricted supply.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by spaginal »

nxc18 wrote: post #531
AgloeDreams wrote: post #493

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This would be a positive force as it would reduce overcrowding of the local market and ensure work and pay for drivers. The Uber and Lyft driver pool is too large for reasonable pay for demand by nature. Something really important in an economy, is security of work and pay. For those who are on the schedule they can depend on their job to be able to live. For those who would not be on the schedule (due to demand) Tha…

Yeah I don't know maybe this is your experience. Maybe you're in a crowded city or something where everyone is tripping over themselves to drive for Uber/Lyft, but where I live there are often not enough drivers to meet demand. Having been stranded far from home, both late night and in the early evening, I see Uber & Lyft as providing a valuable service. Having been taken advantage of by taxi drivers on multiple occa…

My worst experience in any transportation was out of Newark, NJ by a taxi. Arrived late at night in the Penn station train terminal, went in the first taxi available to go to my hotel.

I was privileged to a high speed race through Newark running red lights, not responding to my pleas to stop, charge meter was off the whole ride, then a huge argument over the cab fare that almost got the cops called on us once I thankfully arrived at the hotel.

I’ve never been in a cab since.

Uber and Lyft has always been pleasant for me.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by twobeararms »

throwaway_kufu wrote: post #722
tommoor wrote: post #692

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No employer would accept fulltime employees working for their direct competitor at the same time?

You think Burger King gives a shit if their cashier also takes shifts at McDonalds?

They certainly do if that cashier is working the same shift at McDonalds as when he's supposed to be at Burger King. His manager will also care if his work at another employer affects his performance when he's working his shift at Burger King.

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Post by Seasonwreckage »

sergiotapia wrote: post #735
baggy_trough wrote: post #713

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Why do you assume good intentions? It's more likely that this law was the result of campaign bribes from unions. Unions want to have fewer (unionized) people employed at higher compensation. Gig workers go against that because there is higher employment at lower compensation.

"You follow drugs, you get drug addicts and drug dealers. But you start to follow the money, and you don't know where the fuck it's gonna take you."

well said.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by extra88 »

jedberg wrote: post #755
codefreakxff wrote: post #747

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It's called a Taxi. They will drive to your location, pick you up, and take you anywhere you want to go.

You've clearly never tried to use a taxi in California.

For the majority who haven't tried to use taxis in California, what's the informative version of this comment?

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by sampsonitify »

wutsthat4 wrote: post #553
SamWhited wrote: post #63

We had this same thing happen in Austin when Uber and Lyft pulled out after having a hissy fit about fingerprinting and background checks and not parking in the bus lanes. As soon as they pulled out half a dozen alternatives sprung up that paid better (I always used Ride Austin, a not-for-profit). If you're a rider just take the bus, bike, or get any other cab service (seriously, they all have apps now and they maint…

This could not be further from the truth. As someone who was driving full-time in Austin when this happened, I can absolutely say this hurt both the drivers and the passengers. The apps were extremely buggy for both drivers and passengers causing missed rides, multiple drivers showing up to the same rider, etc. Fasten paid the best, but it still would only be marginally better if not the exact same as I was making wi…

Can you give us some anecdata and what the affect on riders pay was? Was it a significant drop in pay, or mostly poor service and inconvenience?

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Post by Aunche »

throwaway_kufu wrote: post #722
tommoor wrote: post #692

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No employer would accept fulltime employees working for their direct competitor at the same time?

You think Burger King gives a shit if their cashier also takes shifts at McDonalds?

It's physically impossible to flip burgers at McDonalds and Burger King at the same time. Presumably, it would be pointless for a driver to work for Uber in the morning and Lyft in the evenings.
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