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Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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I dislike Uber and Lyft's practices as much as the next guy. But I also believe AB5 is a terrible bill and will be voting in November to exempt Uber and Lyft from AB5. AB5 was written to impose a 20th century employment model to a 21st century situation. As such, the bill is distorted that it carve out hundreds of exemptions to musicians, freelancers, journalists, doctors, hair stylists and so on and so forth. A bill…

'Ridesharing' (Which is a hilarious term for the simple fact that the ride is not being shared, the driver is not intending to go to your favorite bar. ) isn't a 21st century situation or solution.

It's not a profitable or a good force in an economy, it does not pay a reasonable wage for anyone to live on, it is not environmentally friendly unless done in large quantities of people,(which is called a bus).

Ridesharing exists to profit Uber/Lyft investors and management and is successful due to lower pricing than is sustainable. It is built on the back of loopholes in the law to use and abuse working class people and to lie about the true costs and profits.

The bill's exceptions exist to split apart reality from this subsidized artificial market (There are exemptions in most laws, purely due tot he idea that things are complex, by nature)

I see this as an attempt to make the Gig Economy pay all workers fairly in addition to healthcare costs and to put the onus on the company rather than their taxes. This would force Uber and Lyft to limit the number of drivers in an area by cost and profits, to deny those they cannot pay fairly. Uber currently may give you 100 rides a day or 1, you don't know which and you cant depend on it nor if you cant drive can get unemployment.

The hard problem is contracting work is not a known reality for most, they don't understand the costs. Dressing it up in pretty fonts and Ads makes it much like the alcohol or tobacco industries, you don't know the danger until you are very invested and nobody is there to save you.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Does the cab model not work?

Taxis are either independent contractors driving their own or company cars and getting most or part of the fare, or employees paid by the hour who are pushed to get a particular revenue per hour. Yes, the contractors will now have to be employees in California, so that model is gone there. The former tends to adapt okay to predictable demand, the latter tends to not at all. Before Lyft and Uber, my usual wait time fo…

There's actually jurisprudence that taxi drivers can be employees, not independent contractors, even when they are working for fares and lease the vehicle. See Linton v. DeSoto Cab.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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" As employees they would have to work set schedules and shifts, would not be able to work for multiple app-based companies and would have reduced earning potential — and many jobs would actually be eliminated. " ( https://prop22facts.com/lyft/ ) Is that something mandated by California? As far as I know, everywhere else I've been, work-schedules and anti-moonlighting are restrictions placed by the employer, not the…

With employees, you can't rely on variable supply and demand pricing to ensure the most drivers are there at peak times -- instead, you have to do it through scheduling instead.

And it's not so much anti-moonlighting as not being able to work for multiple companies at the same time (hour). Right now, a driver often is waiting for both Lyft and Uber riders. If they're an hourly employee, they obviously can't do that anymore.

So no, none of this is mandated, but it's the only way a business could operate.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Why can't we have a new worker classification that allows gig workers to have both the flexibility the job entails + better benefits/protections?

Because none of that is needed and you just fell for a Uber lie that equates your 9 to 5 with "this is what all employment must look like, by law"?

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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I think it's reasonable for a government to crack down on businesses where the entire operational structure is designed to subvert that government's tax code and regulations.

I swear people forget how Uber got popular in the first place.

By providing a service that was more convenient, safer and affordable than the alternatives protected by regulatory rent-seeking.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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I have a strong suspicion that the Works Progress Administration may come about if Biden wins the election. There's a lot of bridges going into disrepair, new transit projects we _should_ pursue- not to say that everyone employed by this program is necessarily qualified to build a bridge, but if the opportunity is there I wouldn't be shocked if it drew unemployed folks. But again, "if".

Maybe it’s due to where I live, but I’ve never understood throwing money in to roads and the like as stimulus. Construction crews are already busy all the time, and a company isn’t going to hire another 100 untrained workers to tackle an additional project and then fire them again. I remember one local road being resurfaced during the 2008 stimulus that was perfectly fine before. It was just an easy road for them to…

From what I understand, the biggest economic lever the government has to boost the economy is the humble food stamp. However, the second-biggest lever is building infrastructure.

The reverse-lever for economic stimulus is tax cuts.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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We don’t want to suspend operations. So don't. Either give the drivers what the California politicians are saying all Californians should have as a minimum benefit, and then go to court to argue why Lyft drivers should get something else, or let Lyft drivers set their own prices as they should be able to as independent contractors.

Are they not able to set their own prices/minimums? I just had a notification pop up this week at the airport that the nearby drivers were charging more and I'd need to accept a surge price or wait longer. I'm not sure if this is just a clever rewording of the surge pricing policy or an actual change on the driver side. For what it's worth, it was after 16 hours of travel, so I wasn't paying super close attention.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Unsure why this is getting downvoted. Anyone who actually follows the money in this debate knows that the unions are very heavily financially invested in this and donate tons of money to the politicians that support anything that increases their power and influence. If unions were truly invested in the best interest of workers instead of the best interest of the union, they would value the desires of the 4/5 of drive…

Is there an Uber/Lyft driver union?

No and prop 22 would make it near impossible to create some
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