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The Suspected Poisoning of Alexey Navalny, Putin’s Most Prominent Adversary

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Re: The Suspected Poisoning of Alexey Navalny, Putin’s Most Prominent Adversary

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Most of the current sanctions against Russia were a direct response to Russia's paramilitary invasion of a peaceful neighbor and theft of a large portion of their country. If Saudi Arabia were to commit a comparable offense, I assure you they'd face a comparable response, or worse (remember what happened to Saddam Hussein).

Good thing SA did not invade Yemen, had nothing to do with Khashoggi "suffering a paper cut" and absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 neither

You're missing the point.

Re: The Suspected Poisoning of Alexey Navalny, Putin’s Most Prominent Adversary

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Is there a book written by a soldier that explains why people defend/enforce the power of evil people? Putin himself is not poisoning these people, someone is doing it for him. Why? Doesn't have to be from Russia. Any soldier defending any evil person - why?

Christopher Browning's Ordinary Men is about a specific unit of German special police used to round up and massacre Jews. It's been 15+ years since I read it, but I think the conclusion was these otherwise ordinary men (not ardent Nazis) followed orders because of a mix of peer-pressure and obedience to authority.

Re: The Suspected Poisoning of Alexey Navalny, Putin’s Most Prominent Adversary

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That's crazy to think about, but you definitely may be right. I suppose that is a very Chekist way of trolling. Although I certainly think it's very likely some aspect of the government is involved, what are the odds that some of these instances have just been the actions of diehard Putin supporters who acted totally alone? I know full well Putin's and his security services' despotic and cruel nature, but I also do w…

No, do not entertain yourself with such thought. The fact of: 1. Sings of long term preparation, and surveillance were there. 2. His hospital room is now "guarded" by KGB agents out of Moscow who appeared out of nowhere within a few hours. That's pretty much a very deliberately displayed smoking gun.

Thanks, figures. I have little doubt Putin ordered it (tacitly or explicitly). There just seem to be so many (attempted or successful) murders that I imagine there must have been one or two times where he's been like "fuck, I didn't even do this one but I still have to go on a PR denial tour over it". I'm pretty sure he did do the overwhelming majority, though.

Re: The Suspected Poisoning of Alexey Navalny, Putin’s Most Prominent Adversary

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I remember an essay a few years ago (it was the Ukrainian poisoning?) where the author essentially said that Russia's brand has basically been spoiled for outsiders. (political brand certainly, but maybe overall as a country). As in, Russia is no longer a trustworthy seeming, interesting, attractive place to want to go visit or collaborate with or be associated with. I mean, of course it depends on the level of detai…

As a Russian, I have definitely felt a change in attitude towards Russia fairly recently (since Crimea probably). Overall feelings switched more towards fear, distrust and annoyance that Russia is punching above its weight (wanting to be a Great Power while having a relatively puny economy). Recent case in point that comes to mind: one of the characters in the show Devs is Russian. Spoiler alert, he is definitely not a good guy.

A surprising consequence of this trend is that while annoying, it had definitely led me to appreciate my home country more (even if I don't support the current government). Probably a predictable manifestation of in-group/out-group dynamics.

Re: The Suspected Poisoning of Alexey Navalny, Putin’s Most Prominent Adversary

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The official story would always be vague. This is spook territory not regular police. A Scotland Yard team went to interview Litvinenko's assassins (One of whom was being treated for radiation poisoning - fancy that!), and they were completely outgunned by the FSB. Also, as to CCTV, it is extremely prevalent in London but not as omniscient in places like Salisbury. Security services sit on information like this for y…

Do you have more information or some good sources on the MI5 director? That seems like a fascinating read.

Read Spycatcher by Peter Wright, incredibly interesting story of a working class MI5 scientific intelligence officer (engineer) turned literal spycatcher - largely spending his time chasing the work of naive upperclass communists of years gone by.

During Hollis's tenure, the KGB and GRU were just one step ahead every single move they made, to the point that they broke up a spy ring and the KGB didn't even phone home to Moscow that day. Other examples include bugged rooms suddenly being vacated or bugs in walls being filled with needle-like precision. They gradually worked up the tree until they realized there had to be a mole very high up in MI5 (or not at all, but it's not as neat).

British intelligence had been completely rocked by the Cambridge Five - communists had infiltrated pretty much everywhere in British intelligence until people like Peter Wright modernized the service largely by running around chasing leads from 40 years ago (in the 1970s) from people like Anthony Blunt who had given up fighting. The British establishment had to be dragged kicking and screaming towards the notion that an Englishman could be a communist despite his upbringing and public school training.

Can you imagine the fuss then, when it turns out that Hollis - who is already a very conservative (unambitious, won't step on toes etc.) leader of the service - is suspected of treachery? He had spent years in China in his youth, possibly having contact with known Russian assets. If he was really a spy, the smoking gun is that it turned out that when he was sent to interview Igor Gouzenko (A defector now residing in Canada), he apparently showed almost no interest in what Gouzenko had to say and was wearing a disguise. This may sound relatively innocuous but remember that a defector could quite possibly recognize you on from photographs of their agents.

The main case against this hypothesis relies on a few fairly not overly strong but nonetheless useful points: Oleg Gordievsky (Briefly Deputy Head of the KGB in London) clearly stated that his station chief stated that this rumour around Hollis must've been some British trick. This is potentially very strong evidence, however, it is the word of one man. Gordievsky is reliable, however, but more importantly he was KGB and Hollis was always supposed to be GRU (and he was definitely inactive long before Gordievsky would've been able to speak English let alone stationed in London). ELLI is a currently unknown cryptonym (alleged to be Hollis), it may apparently be Leo Long but that doesn't add up with the leaks from MI5.

MI5 (via Andrew) and MI6 (via Macintyre's book) - both had official archive access, extremely rare for MI6 - both claim its smoke without fire, Misguided conspiracy. It could well be, but this glosses over that there was a (according to Wright at least) an investigation that lasted the best part of a decade neither indicted nor exonerated him (https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/104603) but on balance said it was more likely that not that he was not a spy. However, the proceedings of said investigation are not public as far as I can and the investigation-investigation thatcher speaks of in the speech linked to was run by a friend of Hollis. Chapman Pincher seems to allege that Hollis's family spoke openly of his work for the USSR but Pincher is now dead, and I don't really believe him at face value.

https://www.iwp.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/20150417_Repo... This document lays out pretty much everything known about Hollis, along with some (IIRC) elsewhere uncommon information linking Hollis's movements with that of the spy SONIA.

The real story here isn't really whether Hollis was a spy or not (he was incompetent as far as I can see), but that the Russian's are unbelievably good at espionage (but not unbeatable - see Operation PIMLICO).

Re: The Suspected Poisoning of Alexey Navalny, Putin’s Most Prominent Adversary

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There always were a lot of propaganda involved since forever. Even now Russia is demonised in Western Media, mostly quite unfair.

Can you give an example where Russia is portrayed unfairly?

Any action movie where the bad guys are stereotypical Russians? The way Russians and their culture are disparaged in media? I remember reading a WaPo article where some old lady was telling political canvassers to fuck off, and the entire time the article was fixating on her "Russian accent" and saying things like "this isn't russia we have democracy here". Really despicable racism.

Re: The Suspected Poisoning of Alexey Navalny, Putin’s Most Prominent Adversary

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You see, when anything go wrong in the world it's Russia's fault:) Especially if someone loses some elections - blame Russia 100% of the time.

Except... those things explicitly are Russia's fault. You can keep pretending Russia is a benevolent member of the international community all you want, but that simply does not make it true.

I’ve previously heard that claim about Brexit, but not about the other three.

Even then, despite being so Remain-y I moved to Berlin, I don’t see how Russia made enough of a difference to count as successfully interfering compared to all the decisions taken by Cameron up to the day of the referendum itself.

Re: The Suspected Poisoning of Alexey Navalny, Putin’s Most Prominent Adversary

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Had Name any political, cultural, economic, literature, sports achievement in last 30 years to come out of Russia. That's right Internet trolls which are an evolution on kgbs psyops

Kotlin[1] programming language? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotlin_(programming_language)

Sure, and Nginx as well. JetBrains are in Eastern Europe, Nginx is sold to West, wonder why?

Or you can list graphene - a really nice, to say mildly, achievement. Guess why it wasn't announced from Russia but from UK?

Russia is being seriously held back by the autocracy. The whole world suffers to a degree, which explains animosity... Of course Russia suffers the most, but such things are hard to change. Ukraine and Belarus going the long and troublesome road now, while we here keep disagreements about good and evil.

Re: The Suspected Poisoning of Alexey Navalny, Putin’s Most Prominent Adversary

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I was born in Russia and I despise Putin. He is the reason why I emigrated. He and his cronies brough the country into the dark age, from which it may never come out. He is, without a single doubt, Hitler of the 21st century. * He consolidated all the political and judicial power. Destroyed, physically, politically or judicially all the opponents. Elections are completely fake. * He completely controls all secret ser…

> Constantly bringing up the great heroic ancestors and their achievement in WW2, and duty if modern Russians to not squander what they achieved.

I would also add the death cult mentality that they are trying to achieve with the Russians ("we can do this again anytime!").

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