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Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by tensor »

sb8244 wrote: post #33
manigandham wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% of the thousands of Uber drivers I've talked to over the past 8 years have said work flexibility is their greatest advantage. Many of them already have other commitments and drive for extra income. If they wanted a FT driving job, they would've gotten one.

Thinking through this more. I've noticed that a lot of drivers work both Uber and Lyft (flexibility allows this). Would that go away in the employee model?

If the only option is to be full time I imagine it must. You can't bee full time on both services.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by sneak »

subdane wrote: post #31

Am I nuts, or is the heart of this issue really the fact that our healthcare system is built on tying benefits to full time jobs?

I think you can employ W-2-style employees without providing them healthcare. It’s a perk, but not legally required to have a W-2 employee.

I think the heart of the issue is the entirely artificial split between the concept of employee and contractor. (Much like the arbitrary split between taxi and car service in nyc.)

Making everyone a contractor for every job, with the terms of the job specified in the contract, seems much more straightforward. I don’t think that the concept of “employment” needs to be one size fits all, like standard W-2 is today in the US.

It’s an artifact of tax law, the scam that is withholding (make most people not “feel” their taxes), and a dominant manufacturing economy model that no longer exists in the US.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by biztos »

tmp538394722 wrote: post #41
nemothekid wrote: post #9

When I moved to CA, I put off getting a CA license for years. I always told myself I'd go to the DMV and do the paperwork, then I waited long enough to find out I would have to retake the test, until finally I just resigned to using Uber and Lyft all the time. I never thought I would need it and so I never made it a priority. So this news really sucks, as you haven't been able to schedule DMV appointments at all and…

I’d think a good ole fashioned taxi would work. Is there a reason you couldn’t or wouldn’t use one?

Depends where you are. In much of the Valley you will not see a cab anywhere, but you might be able to call one.

In SF proper, there are more cabs, but don't forget the hour-long waits we had before the ride-sharing thing started. I don't know if it'll get that bad again, but I don't think they authorized thousands of new cabs like (IMO) they should have. Also, I've had cabbies in SF tell me point-blank they won't take my fare because it's not far enough. Yeah, illegal, they don't care.

Further out... good luck. You're in Concord and need a ride to Walnut Creek? Might work, but it might be faster to try Craigslist.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by ciarannolan »

georgeecollins wrote: post #93
gotoeleven wrote: post #8

California has proven itself again and again to be really good at centrally planning the economic activities of individuals so I think this will work out pretty well in the end.

That is why the California economy is collapsing. /s Everybody likes to complain about California. When I was born here it was about 15m people. Now its 40m. If you are unhappy, please leave to a lower cost, lower tax state. People have been predicting California's decline my entire life and the real problem is it can't handle the growth. Also, California has been sucking up employing the young and of mid-west and so…

The "liberal states bad" trope has popped up on conservative media in the last year or so, so you'll see a lot more of it on places like HN.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

zelly wrote: post #183
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #45

I wonder what new app will spring up in place of Uber and Lyft. This is a huge opportunity for some aspiring entrepreneur. Of course, they're probably bluffing and will be back soon.

Would an app that defies this order even be allowed on the App Store?

Who said the competitor has to defy the order? Lyft is choosing not to abide by it. Whether Apple would permit it or not, who knows, they tend to apply policy unevenly. On Android, apps can be side-loaded so no need to get App Store approval.

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Post by LatteLazy »

mqus wrote: post #167
LatteLazy wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one would work when you wanted them to work unless you make them. Would you work a busy Friday night dealing with drunk people and missing your friends when you could get the same money for doing nothing on a Tuesday morning?

That's why I mentioned bonuses. You are getting paid more if no one wants to drive, but there is some kind of base payment you can expect to get.

I mean, what you're describing without realizing it is just a cab company except you pay everyone a 30+ hours a week for doing nothing on top of what you pay them for actually working...

This is why cab companies don't already let drivers pick their own hours (assuming they don't use the uber-lite approach of people just hiring the cab\medallion).

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by theplague42 »

subdane wrote: post #31

Am I nuts, or is the heart of this issue really the fact that our healthcare system is built on tying benefits to full time jobs?

I think the heart of the issue is VC-backed startups trying their hardest to circumvent laws until they are big enough that enforcing the laws makes people mad.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by manigandham »

ironmagma wrote: post #37
manigandham wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People freely working is not exploitation. Full time driving jobs already exist if you wanted that instead of freelance rideshare driving.

They exist, but those opportunities exist not in as numerous quantities because they are undercut by Lyft/Uber, which are only able to do so because they are operating unsustainably. The latter just need to either increase their prices to make the rideshare job more profitable and acceptable or, if that’s truly impossible as they suggest, I guess we’ll have to go back to cab rides.

Uber/Lyft are both profitable in many markets. The system is perfectly sustainable.

It's the service, not the price, that made the biggest difference for users. And this service requires having thousands of drivers able to start at a moment's notice, which is not viable under an employee-shift driven model.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by [deleted] »

whoisjuan wrote: post #111
subdane wrote: post #31

Am I nuts, or is the heart of this issue really the fact that our healthcare system is built on tying benefits to full time jobs?

I keep paying my health insurance premium at my home country just because the health insurance in the US is completely broken. I feel that if you get seriously sick in the US you're in an almost sure path to financial insolvency. My employer pays probably a shit ton of money for my health insurance and what I get is the most subpar, confusing, broken and sometimes blatantly extortive service ever. I live in Austin an…

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