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Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by x3n0ph3n3 »

unethical_ban wrote: post #36

This seems lazy by CA. We either have "full time = forty hours of work and tons of benefits that have been shoehorned into employment because our government doesn't provide it" or "part time = less than forty hours and you get abused" I'm not privy so I won't pretend to have the right idea, but it seems like there should be a middle ground.

It's not lazy, it's _greedy_. The state is only interesting in getting a share of the Uber/Lyft pie via payroll and unemployment taxes. They would also get automatic deduction of taxes from peoples' paychecks who would otherwise be under the reporting limit.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by war1025 »

majormajor wrote: post #52
milofeynman wrote: post #32

I don't know if you're genuine or not but the way you wrote this post sounds so utterly inauthentic[0]. You're whimsically sad you can't get more fun money to invest in stock, while the reason that ride sharing is being shut down is because it takes advantage of the lower class it depends on. [0]edit: unauthentic->inauthentic

> You're whimsically sad you can't get more fun money to invest in stock, while the reason that ride sharing is being shut down is because it takes advantage of the lower class it depends on. The American people take advantage of the lower class by tying healthcare to employment, and in an extra-cruel way where less lucrative jobs also provide insurance that is both more expensive day-to-day to the employee AND less…

> Uncouple basic benefits from jobs

This is basically the one actual political policy issue that I feel strongly about.

A boy can dream...

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by georgeecollins »

gotoeleven wrote: post #8

California has proven itself again and again to be really good at centrally planning the economic activities of individuals so I think this will work out pretty well in the end.

That is why the California economy is collapsing. /s

Everybody likes to complain about California. When I was born here it was about 15m people. Now its 40m. If you are unhappy, please leave to a lower cost, lower tax state. People have been predicting California's decline my entire life and the real problem is it can't handle the growth. Also, California has been sucking up employing the young and of mid-west and south for a century. Now those states get mad when "Californians" move to places like Austin. Where do you think they came from originally?

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by Taek »

milofeynman wrote: post #32

I don't know if you're genuine or not but the way you wrote this post sounds so utterly inauthentic[0]. You're whimsically sad you can't get more fun money to invest in stock, while the reason that ride sharing is being shut down is because it takes advantage of the lower class it depends on. [0]edit: unauthentic->inauthentic

A brief glance at the comment history and account history makes me think that this is likely a genuine comment. Multiple years old account, lots of karma, recent comments cover a wide range of topics.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by creaghpatr »

xenospn wrote: post #79
dannyw wrote: post #6

I used to drive for Uber, a few hours a week during my downtime when I was bored and had nothing better to do. The earnings weren’t great, but it was very helpful as an extra. I had a fuel efficient car and kept track of all my expenses for deductions and made above minimum wage. I’ve met plenty of lovely and fascinating people and had great, enjoyable conversations. I barely had any issues with riders. This extra in…

My close friend drove for Uber and Lyft in Los Angeles. He was constantly abused and berated by drunk and rude passengers (which he couldn't refuse), drove more just to have Uber slash his take-home rate by 60%, and even invested in a larger van so he could drove pool (or whatever the name is for large groups) which never materialized. He's extremely happy to see them go.

How much are Uber and Lyft paying him now?

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by ghaff »

majormajor wrote: post #52
milofeynman wrote: post #32

I don't know if you're genuine or not but the way you wrote this post sounds so utterly inauthentic[0]. You're whimsically sad you can't get more fun money to invest in stock, while the reason that ride sharing is being shut down is because it takes advantage of the lower class it depends on. [0]edit: unauthentic->inauthentic

> You're whimsically sad you can't get more fun money to invest in stock, while the reason that ride sharing is being shut down is because it takes advantage of the lower class it depends on. The American people take advantage of the lower class by tying healthcare to employment, and in an extra-cruel way where less lucrative jobs also provide insurance that is both more expensive day-to-day to the employee AND less…

Employee-coupled healthcare in the US came about as a way around wage stabilization controls during WWII and was subsequently enshrined in no small part because of large unions that negotiated it as a major benefit in their contracts.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by chomp »

manigandham wrote: post #10
ivarv wrote: post #7

So this is basically an admission that the ridesharing business model is not viable without worker exploitation?

People freely working is not exploitation. Full time driving jobs already exist if you wanted that instead of freelance rideshare driving.

Yes people can freely work for Lyft/Uber, but they can't work free. As in, the designation "independent contractor" means they should have a lot more freedom in how they conduct their personal business than they do at the moment.

Lyft/Uber keep their drivers on a leash while saying they're independent contractors. And that is exploitation.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by manigandham »

mbesto wrote: post #75
manigandham wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People freely working is not exploitation. Full time driving jobs already exist if you wanted that instead of freelance rideshare driving.

> People freely working is not exploitation. Just because someone freely accepts work, doesn't mean its automatically free of exploitation. Exploitation just means one party is taking advantage of another parties weakness. Rideshare specifically - I don't think this exploitation is unilateral, but it does exist. Example - UAE commercial builders freely attracting Pakistan/India laborers and then holding their passpor…

You're comparing this to poor laborers held hostage?

Drivers are not forced into anything. They apply and can quit anytime. Earnings and fares are completely transparent. Their schedule is determined by them. Where's the exploitation?

Have you ever driven for Uber? I find it odd that so many people claim to know better for others without any experience of the situation.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by MAGZine »

mqus wrote: post #62

> the rest would have scheduled shifts, and capped hourly earnings. I don't really understand why this is necessary. Can't there still be flexible arrangements with drivers simply clocking their work and then getting some kind of salary derived from that? Can't they still get paid bonuses for driving in particularly unwanted hours? Sure, this would be a complex contract, but I don't see how this is impossible. But I'…

I had the same thought. Lyft and Uber are already employers in the view of the state. No further modification is necessary.

What I'm guessing is that having people waiting being paid $0 is a core principal of Uber and Lyft. They hinge on over-supply. If they have to pay minimum wage to everyone who signs on, they need to be a lot more careful about who they allow to sign on, and when.

Saying it'll go to shift work though seems a bit extreme. Sounds like a tantrum to me.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Post by milofeynman »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #65
milofeynman wrote: post #32

I don't know if you're genuine or not but the way you wrote this post sounds so utterly inauthentic[0]. You're whimsically sad you can't get more fun money to invest in stock, while the reason that ride sharing is being shut down is because it takes advantage of the lower class it depends on. [0]edit: unauthentic->inauthentic

5,000 karma account established in 2017 with a reasonable comment history shares person experience ...attacked as a shill.

Unauthenticated as in a person's character, not as in shill. I should have chosen my words better.
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