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Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

stickfigure wrote: post #374
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #370

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> installing software that doesn't go through Apple is made incredibly painful and essentially nobody will succeed in doing it. Come on. It’s literally five mouse clicks.

...and if they forget that, they can just edit the source code in "command.com" https://dilbert.com/strip/1994-02-01

GP is basically arguing it's impossible to run arbitrary software which is BS. It's not as simple as it could be, but Apple didn't prohibit it, they just hid it behind a few menus. And if you are too incompetent to click through these then you probably shouldn't be running arbitrary software. That's why the comic does not really apply here IMO.

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Post by yoz-y »

adriancr wrote: post #498
raverbashing wrote: post #483

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Yes, and I've used that other OS a lot as well But it is not a panacea and it is not for everybody. And it has two main issues: - developers don't care about stability and/or polish (just see the discussions on the trackpad ITT) "Oh but if you change library X to Y and reroute libinput and etc it might maybe work and maybe it will not break anything else" - because of the former reason, not all (important) applicatio…

Well... your choice is: - windows 10 - no privacy, hello telemetry, cortana, etc. - mac os - no freedom to do anything not allowed by apple - Linux - polish / ui issues? At least with Linux once I configure it right it works without issue and does everything I want. Currently that means kubuntu 20.04, AMD GPU (or intel integrated) and laptops that say they support it (Dell/Lenovo) or self built desktop. (I used gnome…

Do not underestimate how important polish and UI issues are to many people.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by saurik »

nicky0 wrote: post #413
badsectoracula wrote: post #105

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I understood it perfectly, which is why i wrote "you cannot run unsigned software" instead of "all software must be notarized by Apple".

Disingenuous. "Signed software" is generally understood to mean signed with am Apple-issued certificate. The fact that you can ad-hoc sign with no certificate at all makes that kind of signing little more than a linker step. You might as well have said "you cannot run uncompiled software" for all the relevance it has.

I see no reason why the term "signed" would imply any particular certificate authority as the issuer.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by vladvasiliu »

Razengan wrote: post #411
vladvasiliu wrote: post #380

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> Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. Right, and how many of those are using macOS because they're "forced" to, as a sibling suggests, or simply by force of habit? Moving from macOS to Linux or Windows (or from any one OS to any other, really) does require some time. It's not necessarily difficult, but it still takes time. Time that the same professio…

> Right, and how many of those are using macOS because they're "forced" to, as a sibling suggests, or simply by force of habit? Right, because you know why each and every one of the billions of users do what they do, and of course, none of them would be doing something by choice , because how could anyone possibly like something you do not?

I'm not talking about "each and every one". My point is that many people just use the tools they are given. For example my client has one department where everyone gets a Mac. I'm pretty sure most of them don't have a very strong opinion on the matter, as they do mostly administrative stuff (so basically MS Office). They could probably get a PC if they wanted, but again, they just don't care.

Of course people may choose MacOS. I've been using it for a very long time and hopefully that won't change anytime soon. But that doesn't mean that everybody who uses MacOS does so by choice.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by headmelted »

rocqua wrote: post #455
raverbashing wrote: post #440

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Well the other hypercapitalists sell a product that sucks and sure, it lets you run other stuff, but it absolutely tramples on your privacy and is still, for the most part, worse in all aspects. (and yes the keyboard issues were very close to tipping the scales) I wish the choice was simple, but it isn't.

Does the fact that you think alternatives suck make apple have a monopoly? Sure they have a monopoly on your desires, but that isn't a big enough scale for laws to get involved. There are alternatives out there. So it becomes really hard to claim anti-trust.

I think it’s really easy to claim anti-trust violations actually.

Apple already owns the customer because they’ve invested in the platform, but they’re not providing equitable access to software that other platforms are. This isn’t revealed to the customer though, so it’s not clear as a user that choice is being restricted in this way.

A lot of Apple’s practices have been legal up until now due to their minority market share in all markets they operate in - but what we see those markets as is changing. The App Store is a massive multi-billion dollar industry in itself that Apple holds and exploits 100% control over.

Whether or not a violation has or is occurring is for lawmakers to decide based on whether or not the App Store (or Google Play for that matter) constitute markets within the definitions provided by local laws.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by adriancr »

yoz-y wrote: post #532
adriancr wrote: post #498

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Well... your choice is: - windows 10 - no privacy, hello telemetry, cortana, etc. - mac os - no freedom to do anything not allowed by apple - Linux - polish / ui issues? At least with Linux once I configure it right it works without issue and does everything I want. Currently that means kubuntu 20.04, AMD GPU (or intel integrated) and laptops that say they support it (Dell/Lenovo) or self built desktop. (I used gnome…

Do not underestimate how important polish and UI issues are to many people.

I know it is important, that and exterior looks of the hardware.

Still, I do not have UI issues and the polish is fine on Linux, was explaining how to get there.

Problem is people expect a 300$ Linux laptop to work like a mac usually... when you would need a similar priced dell xps or lenovo carbon x1 plus manufacturer to support Linux, like dell developer edition.

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Post by innocenat »

zelly wrote: post #444
modo_mario wrote: post #403

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>WSL is a cool idea, but is still a bolt on solution, I was constantly fighting with it on windows with my unix-oriented workflow I wonder why not use Linux at that point tho?

Battery life and hardware support. You'd get better battery life and thermals running Linux in Virtualbox on a Windows/Mac laptop than on bare metal. I'm a Linux enthusiast but every time I use it on a laptop is pain. Laptops are like phones in that they need deep integration with the OS to be usable long-term. The best way to use Linux is on a desktop that you build and can control what hardware is used. (The deskto…

My experience is that Ubuntu with tlp has better battery life than Windows though. (Granted, I last compared this in 2016).

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by efreak »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #376
baq wrote: post #372

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Microsoft with WSL2 is pretty much ready to go for the jugular IMHO.

Windows Update 2004 made the experience even smoother on my XPS 15.

Unfortunately, it hasn't fixed the problem with running VirtualBox using the hypervisor platform/virtual machine platform (I forget which) while hyper-v is enabled: sha sums (and other hashes like whirlpool, md5, etc) don't work properly. Meaning I can't use wsl2 and VirtualBox. Or use the Android emulator and VirtualBox. And yes, this seems to be a obscure issue that's hard to research (`Intel SHA extension` and `/etc/gcrypt/hwf.deny` may help); I've had to look this up three times now because I keep doing it in private browsing mode or on another device/browser.

Don't mind me, I'm just annoyed that Microsoft won't add support for ssh-copy-id.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by pjmlp »

lucb1e wrote: post #2

This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

Just like it worked on any commercial UNIX, FCC's rise to fame was thanks to Sun no longer offering Solaris SDK as free beer.

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Post by IndySun »

stereo wrote: post #450
lucb1e wrote: post #2

This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

OpenStreetMap treasurer here to jump on the tangent. Hi! Apple's focus is on maximising profit, and ours is on maximising mapping and the width of our membership, especially after the entryism attempt last year ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19008792 ).- We've also recently received a non-profit signing certificate from Apple through our German local chapter, and two of us are working on getting JOSM automati…

Interjecting a side note - while you're here.... a building nr me, was a pub 15 years ago, then it was empty for 5 years, until it became a convenience store. It's still listed as a pub, 2 years after I, and others, have sent corrections. I'd love to love OSM but....

Apologies for the hijack...

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