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Re: Can't you just right click?

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A couple other ways to deal with it (at least for some instances--not sure this applies to every kind of executable). 1.1 Hit "Cancel" in the warning dialog. 1.2 Open "System Preferences" / "Security & Privacy" and select the "General" tab. 1.3 It should have a notice about the unverified app being blocked, and offer the chance to approve it. Do so. 1.4 Try to launch the app again. You'll get the dialog again, but th…

I'm glad it "just works"

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Like anything in life there is balance, and anyone living in any sort of society today has already given up some freedom for some security.

They never had a choice. There seems to be a trend in the US society today to error more on the side of safety than liberty than I've seen ever before. Particularly, this is a change in the tech community which has been a bastion in the fight for individual freedoms since I've been alive. In the end, when you make that bargain at the levels we are making it today, the safety is only temporary but the damage to libert…

But they had a choice. You can always build a pc with linux/uac=0 or buy it from those who know how to do that. Aren't you conflating freedom with everyone living the way you want? And with uninformed choices, which nobody has to inform. And with ecosystems that do [not] fit your particular views. As a conscious informed user myself, and after experimenting, I tend to choose some of Apple's products. Not Apple's as a company, but as an idea of how things should work. You do not take my freedom to be able to do that, do you? Remember that all that Apple has is what their customers chose to give them. You cannot just go and blame them for getting what they want, based on some freedom morals that weren't even trampled for them. Hardware and software that is free in many regard is still there. Don't you think that you just blame people for their choice?

Re: Can't you just right click?

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> I think a lot of people on this thread have never even used a mac for more than five minutes, let alone developed on one. I have when I started a new job and they gave me a macbook and said it's the only option. After 2 weeks I told them I'll need a linux box asap or I'll look for a different job. It's in my opinion the absolute worst garbage of an operating system I've ever had the displeasure of using and their w…

I had similar experience. They gave me a brand new beefed up macbook. I tried to like that thing. I really did. For months. One day I just got tired of that thing overheating and being loud. Was given a real linux machine to work with.

What OS are you running on linux that makes the experience worth it over macOS? I've grown up using macs and am used to the UI quite a bit. Have a work machine (t580) and used Ubuntu and Fedore. Both have been quite challenging to use with lots of Graphics Issues. Sure the thing runs everything I throws at it in terms of docker/system-services/etc., but UI stuff is really ugly.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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I switched to a Dell XPS last year, then sold it on ebay 6 months later and bought a new Mac. WSL is a cool idea, but is still a bolt on solution, I was constantly fighting with it on windows with my unix-oriented workflow, trying to get apps and packages to work correctly. The trackpad feels like it's from 2012. The speakers are very bad. The fans are constantly whirring. It misses on all the details, while also mak…

>WSL is a cool idea, but is still a bolt on solution, I was constantly fighting with it on windows with my unix-oriented workflow I wonder why not use Linux at that point tho?

Battery life and hardware support. You'd get better battery life and thermals running Linux in Virtualbox on a Windows/Mac laptop than on bare metal. I'm a Linux enthusiast but every time I use it on a laptop is pain. Laptops are like phones in that they need deep integration with the OS to be usable long-term. The best way to use Linux is on a desktop that you build and can control what hardware is used. (The desktop with multiple monitors is a superior form factor IMO for getting work done.)

Re: Can't you just right click?

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> required to contact apple to even see this online help. What's that about? The "macOS User Guide" is available online only?

The notarization check phones home before failing, which leads to the dialog. That may be what they mean.

Only if the notarization signature hasn’t been stapled to the binary.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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The power that tech companies accumulate with tactics like this, and the justifications for that power, are strangely reminiscent of autocratic governments: we decide which programs you can develop and run, and we can levy an arbitrary 30% income tax (on top of regular VAT). But don't worry, it's all for your safety and security! We are fast becoming corporate citizens, for better and for worse: https://www.youtube.c…

Frankly, I’m afraid your premise is a bit of a straw man argument. I’m constantly running npm, mvn, sbt, docker and some that download hundreds of megabytes from unknown organizations, hosted on unknown servers, written by unknown developers. Next to that, I’m running desktop applications downloaded roughly under the same circumstances, and was the update image it just installed when I opened it genuine? Transmission…

Heavily sandboxing apps by default is fine, and some Linux distros are, slowly, moving to do this - see e.g. AppArmor and Snap.

Even giving warnings by default about unsigned apps requesting high privileges would be fine if the implied message weren't basically "everything we haven't checked is malware". Something like "We nor any other provider you've chosen to trust have no idea who made this and we haven't checked if it contains malware. This program may steal and delete all your files. Be really sure you trust the author before running this." would be much more honest.

Good security does not require a single entity becoming the sole gatekeeper and taxman for a huge fraction of users.

> Why must everyone constantly have to risk their own neck to defend someone else’s perception of freedom. Why should they all pay (in terms of risk and time mitigating against it) for something that benefits someone else alone?

I'm not advocating for Windows-levels of "install anything with access to everything with barely any warnings". And I wouldn't say you're "constantly risking your own neck" if you deliberately ignore warnings.

In computing as in society, I don't see how we can remove all possibility of getting cheated into hurting yourself (by installing malware in this case) without essentially submitting to some form of autocracy. And I think freedom benefits almost everyone, at least indirectly. As a concrete example, in the Apple/Epic case, an alternative game store would likely result in healthier competition i.e. lower prices. As another example, Hong Kong protesters with iPhones would have had an alternative way to coordinate: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49919459

Re: Can't you just right click?

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The approach may be to start educating the Apple users to understand that these messages do not necessarily mean that the app itself is malicious or from a malicious source.

Yes, I know that ideally Apple should be allowing opensource apps or at least have a mechanism for opensource apps also to be verified by the gatekeeper and that is something we can campaign for, but in the absence of that, we can atleast educate the users.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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There are plenty of comparisons online showing for the same price as a Mac you can get a PC that will edit your photos, compress your videos, render your 3D architecture 3x to 4x as fast as the fastest Mac you can buy. If you're a professional might be throwing money down the toilet waiting for your mac depending on your use case. Note: I'm not a mac hater. I have 2, one I use every day and love it. I also have a PC…

While I haven't seen those comparisons, I did do a similar one myself. Like GP, I have a 2013 mbp. It still works perfectly and handles whatever I throw at it. As it's getting long in the tooth and it could end up not working anymore, and also because I got curious with the release of the 16" mbp, I looked a bit at the market, and also at similar offerings from Lenovo, HP and Dell. You are right, for the price of a 1…

Try Razer stuff.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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I switched to a Dell XPS last year, then sold it on ebay 6 months later and bought a new Mac. WSL is a cool idea, but is still a bolt on solution, I was constantly fighting with it on windows with my unix-oriented workflow, trying to get apps and packages to work correctly. The trackpad feels like it's from 2012. The speakers are very bad. The fans are constantly whirring. It misses on all the details, while also mak…

> The trackpad feels like it's from 2012. The speakers are very bad. The fans are constantly whirring. It’s sad because the XPS is beautiful, but these same issues plague every Dell, HP, and basically non-Apple laptop. Even the most premium lineup (Envy, XPS, etc.) How many years and fancy designs will it take before PC OEMs actually develop an excellent trackpad, not use tinfoil speakers, and use silent fans?

Apple has patents on their trackpad. Dell etc. are literally not allowed to make good trackpads.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

OpenStreetMap treasurer here to jump on the tangent. Hi!

Apple's focus is on maximising profit, and ours is on maximising mapping and the width of our membership, especially after the entryism attempt last year ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19008792 ).-

We've also recently received a non-profit signing certificate from Apple through our German local chapter, and two of us are working on getting JOSM automatically signed and notarized. Our workflow is at https://github.com/thomersch/josm/blob/master/.github/workfl... and a JOSM.app built yesterday can be downloaded at https://github.com/thomersch/josm/actions/runs/214334897 .

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