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Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by bromuro »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #426
lucb1e wrote: post #2

This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

Like all other legitimate software on MacOS; they get a developer account and distribute it via the app store. For years, Windows got laughed at by EVERYONE because there was so much malware on it - in part because of its laissez-faire approach to letting the user install anything from anywhere. Mac went for the closed garden approach and there's hardly any malware, adware, scareware or whatever -ware you can think o…

As you say it already worked great for preventing malware. No reason to make changes like they are doing.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

saagarjha wrote: post #142
coldtea wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any automatic way to tell your software apart from malware? Because that's part of what this mechanism tries to provide...

In theory no, that's impossible. In practice, I publish checksums on my website and people trust that I am not malicious.

I'd rather also have a party in whose interest it is to not get malware on their operating system confirm your claim that your software doesn't contain malware.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

kjksf wrote: post #80
cuddlybacon wrote: post #6

This feature is at about the right spot for me. It is still convenient enough for me to run software I want that isn't signed, but sufficiently obtuse that neither of my parents have figured it out. Given they are both prone to running any executable that any website tells them to download and run, this feature has probably save me several dozen hours of fixing their computers.

Apple has been making things more and more restrictive over a decade now. New versions of mac os introducing new restrictions. Doesn't take a genius to see that their end goal is to make mac os as restrictive as ios. When that happens, will it still be the right spot for you?

For 99% of customers that is just fine. I don't know how old you are but think back of the early / mid 2000's where everyone and their dog got computers and went on the internet, while the main operating systems then - Windows XP - were not ready yet, in that they couldn't protect their users.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

matsemann wrote: post #392
spideymans wrote: post #306

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>Doesn't take a genius to see that their end goal is to make mac os as restrictive as ios. I've been hearing that for the past decade. With the exception of some reasonably deprecated technologies (32-bit support, etc...), to this day I'm able to run essentially all of the software on my Mac that I did back in 2010. If and when Apple does prohibit the running of third party apps, I'll switch to another platform. Unti…

While you are able to, many others are not. So it's a hassle for those developing independently to distribute their software to the masses. So yes, you can run the same software (mostly) as in 2010 knowing the workarounds. But as a consumer you are probably missing out on new, great software because developers wont pay the apple tax to make their stuff available. So you're already affected. It's not FUD, you're just…

What are these many others, and what issues do they run into? And what great software are they missing out of? You're making a bunch of statements without providing examples or sources.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by Rebelgecko »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #424
Rebelgecko wrote: post #397

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There's no way in hell that a casual user like my parents would to be able to figure out which 5 mouse clicks to do (without direct guidance) Even the documentation doesn't tell you to right click.

That's generally a good thing. If they don't know their way around the system then you probably don't want them installing software.

They're competent enough to install software, they just don't explore a lot in the UI. If they can't figure out how to do something with what's in front of them, they have a tendency to assume it can't be done. In other words, if they click on an app and the only options are "Move to Trash" and "Cancel", they're going to assume that their only options are moving the app to the trash or cancelling

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by HappyDreamer »

onion2k wrote: post #385
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #338

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Apple is an aspiration selling company. >>I also can't imagine $100 is easy to come up with in countries below level 4[1] Someone who is developing for Apple platform in specific, has already spent ~$1000 in devices. Say they couldn't afford to build explicitly for Apple[1], they instead develop for web using a Raspberry Pi and try to leverage smartphone capabilities using PWAs; Alas Apple throws in hurdles there as…

Someone who is developing for Apple platform in specific, has already spent ~$1000 in devices. Ignoring the fact someone might have been given a Mac by someone else, or bought one second-hand for less, or that they might be working on a computer they don't own themselves, why is it that someone who can afford $1000 for a Mac can automatically afford another $100? Surely there has to be an amount that you assume they…

Also, it's $100 each year, right. I was thinking me too that that can be a lot if compared with a 2nd hand macbook.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by bencollier49 »

I have a 2015 Macbook, and for the last year or so I've known it'll be my last Apple product. Perhaps in fifteen years when they've been displaced and have made a semi-contrite return a la Microsoft, I might look at buying their stuff again.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by mih »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #426
lucb1e wrote: post #2

This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

Like all other legitimate software on MacOS; they get a developer account and distribute it via the app store. For years, Windows got laughed at by EVERYONE because there was so much malware on it - in part because of its laissez-faire approach to letting the user install anything from anywhere. Mac went for the closed garden approach and there's hardly any malware, adware, scareware or whatever -ware you can think o…

> ... in part because of its laissez-faire approach to letting the user install anything from anywhere.

This comment makes it seem like installing software outside of a curated store is responsible for security issues, but this is exactly what Linux and other like OSes do. You can install apps from anywhere and I'll wager you'll find less malware, adware etc. for them in the wild, than the Mac. Granted usage of these platforms as a Desktop is way lower making it a less attractive target for bad actors, but much of it owes to inherent OS design.

> And if an open source application wants to become popular for the masses - not the HN power user crowd, which represents only a small percentage of potential customers - they have to conform to its rules.

Open source applications have been popular with the masses way before the curated store app store model came into place. Publishing on an app store has a good chance for increasing outreach, but it should not make distribution and installation of applications in the classical way more cumbersome, should the user so desire.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by raverbashing »

bluescrn wrote: post #408
arkh wrote: post #396

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> glad people start to see apple is an open source foo creating prisons of software People have been saying it since day 1 of the Apple App Store. It's called a walled garden and it should be attacked as the abuse of a dominant position it is.

But when a company makes such shiny and popular devices they seem exempt from any usual criticisms of hypercapitalism and near-monopoly power

Well the other hypercapitalists sell a product that sucks and sure, it lets you run other stuff, but it absolutely tramples on your privacy and is still, for the most part, worse in all aspects. (and yes the keyboard issues were very close to tipping the scales)

I wish the choice was simple, but it isn't.

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