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Why can’t Apple just push that through XProtect?
Why not do both?
Can't you just right click?
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Re: Can't you just right click?
#402The fact that the standard model of computing is that applications are opaque machine code blobs that can access everything in your user permission space is the core problem in privacy and malware. Applications should see nothing but their executable jail, and whatever was intentionally allowed to them by the user (eg, Open file dialog giving the application an opaque file handle, etc, not carte blanche access to the…
The average user would be terribly confused by all this and would hardly bother to even analyze requirements that are asked by any app. They will simply allow everything. More importantly, if they see something like a permissions screen, they will have a false sense of security. And severe restrictions on the app, would hamper user experience. Code signing and developer ID are the most practical means to ensure quali…
With weak sandboxing we're still left with the problem of LPE -- once you're on the box (with, by default, unlimited network access!) you can gain root quite quickly, because the kernel interface is rather large. So you still need code signing and developer IDs. However dev IDs could be a federated system -- user's shouldn't have to accept Apple as the total and sole authority for accepting or rejecting apps/developers.
Re: Can't you just right click?
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You may be surprised how much equivalent laptops from other OEMs have caught up. The Dell XPS is very similar to the Macbook Pro, and Dell supports Ubuntu on it.
I switched to a Dell XPS last year, then sold it on ebay 6 months later and bought a new Mac. WSL is a cool idea, but is still a bolt on solution, I was constantly fighting with it on windows with my unix-oriented workflow, trying to get apps and packages to work correctly. The trackpad feels like it's from 2012. The speakers are very bad. The fans are constantly whirring. It misses on all the details, while also mak…
I wonder why not use Linux at that point tho?
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I remember RMS saying that the GPL was updated because one "obvious" freedom was not so obvious -- you could meet all the requirements of the GPL, without giving the right to RUN the software. GPL3 allows that. And looking backwards, apple shipped software that was GPL2, but would not ship software that was GPL3. As one example, bash and make all quietly stopped getting updates from apple when the GPL3 versions came…
> required to contact apple to even see this online help. What's that about? The "macOS User Guide" is available online only?
Re: Can't you just right click?
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>It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not because there is real value they gain for the higher cost. Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. This is basically a slippery slope fallacy. Today they're making it marginally hard, what might they do tomorrow?!? There are many reasons to prefer macOS to Linux or Windows. The Apple ecos…
> Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. Right, and how many of those are using macOS because they're "forced" to, as a sibling suggests, or simply by force of habit? Moving from macOS to Linux or Windows (or from any one OS to any other, really) does require some time. It's not necessarily difficult, but it still takes time. Time that the same professio…
We’re probably not doing that anymore
Re: Can't you just right click?
#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember RMS saying that the GPL was updated because one "obvious" freedom was not so obvious -- you could meet all the requirements of the GPL, without giving the right to RUN the software. GPL3 allows that. And looking backwards, apple shipped software that was GPL2, but would not ship software that was GPL3. As one example, bash and make all quietly stopped getting updates from apple when the GPL3 versions came…
as an ex-apple employee and long time developer, glad people start to see apple is an open source foo creating prisons of software to lure the obsessive brand fanatics and get a fee selling them as users to the other parties. - in apple tech, the users are volunteer products where servicing them gets a myriad of monetization, notarization etc. - hope open source starts to ignore apple platforms as a target at some po…
Even signed apps have been victims of malware attacks and I do think the check is primarily to ensure the developer has paid their Apple tax. It isn't that high, but I don't think I want to spend it. If it normalized, Apple will surely increase it and developers would have absolutely no handle to protest.
Re: Can't you just right click?
#407The actual java binary (JVM) can be (is?) signed and used for many different apps/programs. But the .jar file that is executed probably can't be signed.
(Note: I have never done any "native" Mac programming)
Re: Can't you just right click?
#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
as an ex-apple employee and long time developer, glad people start to see apple is an open source foo creating prisons of software to lure the obsessive brand fanatics and get a fee selling them as users to the other parties. - in apple tech, the users are volunteer products where servicing them gets a myriad of monetization, notarization etc. - hope open source starts to ignore apple platforms as a target at some po…
> glad people start to see apple is an open source foo creating prisons of software People have been saying it since day 1 of the Apple App Store. It's called a walled garden and it should be attacked as the abuse of a dominant position it is.
Re: Can't you just right click?
#409Either there could be a pro-mode app/setting that let's use tone down the warnings a bit and give the extra "allow" option already in the first dialog.
And/or let app developers add an extra dialog to ask for ermissions on install (e.g. in Homebrew).
I haven't tested this but apparently you can disable Gatekeeper completely using:
sudo spctl --master-disable
from https://help.apple.com/xcode/mac/10.2/index.html?localePath=...
Re: Can't you just right click?
#410All of these people saying: switch to Windows, its better than mac! Have you really done that? REALLY? Because I work on Mac, Win10 and Linux every day. And Win10 doesn't even come close to the other two in terms of reliability, stability, and lack of unnecessary bullshit. I just don't understand who can make this claim that Win is better than Macos with a straight face. Maybe for gaming. Maybe. The cost/fps is clear…
> I think a lot of people on this thread have never even used a mac for more than five minutes, let alone developed on one. I have when I started a new job and they gave me a macbook and said it's the only option. After 2 weeks I told them I'll need a linux box asap or I'll look for a different job. It's in my opinion the absolute worst garbage of an operating system I've ever had the displeasure of using and their w…
One day I just got tired of that thing overheating and being loud. Was given a real linux machine to work with.