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Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by rtkwe » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 12:46 AM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #124

rtkwe wrote: post #25

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They have a Consignment Center [0] but that only really seems to hook you up with on the the various "I'll sell your crap on eBay" that exist instead of doing it themselves. [0] https://pages.ebay.com/rcp/consignmentcenter/#/

Well, I wasn't just hallucinating: https://www.cnet.com/news/ebay-drop-off-locations-coming-to-... But the program does seem to be dead. I found some interesting forum discussion taking the opinion that eBay strangled consignment businesses by choosing to heavily discourage auction sales (as opposed to fixed-price listing). They did that because customers on average strongly prefer fixed-price sales, but I'd be open…

I think a lot of people didn't understand or know about how the eBay auctions worked [0]. I only learned about eBay being a second price auction, effectively, ages after eBay was a thing. Without knowing how the proxy system works doing an auction would be pretty frustrating because it'd look like you were usually instantly outbid.

[0] At least the later version I don't know if they used a different scheme earlier. They must have because the sniping services that existed in early eBay don't really make sense with proxy bids.

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by icebergwarrior » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 5:26 AM UTC

nucleardog wrote: post #350

icebergwarrior wrote: post #109

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I see this type of comment all the time, but I've never purchased anything but legitimate items off of Amazon. What are you buying that you consistently run into fakes / knockoffs?

I mean, the obvious question is how do you know that you’ve only got legitimate items? Some counterfeiters are of course, shit, so it’s pretty easy for most of us to notice when we order a board game and all the text on the cards is 20% off of centre. But you have to figure that somebody out there is capable of taking a high resolution scan of the materials and printing it without making obvious mistakes like that. A…

I've ordered clothes, furniture (desks, chairs), books, supplements, rugs, and probably a few other things. Everything shows up, seems to be exactly as claimed, is functional, and has worked.

So my initial question still stands on what people are complaining is rife with fakes and knock-offs. It seems to be quite niche electronics (huge hard drives, computer components, etc)

And if the knock-offs are so good (in your game example) that the end user can't tell the difference (and no one else can either), what does it matter?

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by thirdsun » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 9:39 AM UTC

ratiolat wrote: post #119

So, I'm currently living in mainland Europe. Amazon UK (native English) will be out of EU in the near future. Given this article and also shady 'is this real thing or not - order and find out' - what would be a not shady general kind of store in the EU with native english? I'm ordering mostly books, but sometimes electronics. There's tons of e-shops. Telling apart which one is shady and which one is not is really dif…

Particularly for electronics or expensive items I'd always prefer a shop specialized in the product category in question. Here in germany there's almost always a better, often cheaper alternative to Amazon when it comes to specific product categories.

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by oasisbob » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 1:40 PM UTC

bleepblorp wrote: post #258

oasisbob wrote: post #236

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It's not just small pesky shops that screw the consumer. You step out of the EU/NA and consumer protections quickly disappear. Reliance is one of India's largest companies, they have a consumer electronics brand like Best Buy. The worst return experience I've EVER had was trying to return a DOA pair of Bluetooth headphones to them. Their literal return policy is that you don't, unless it's defective, then you can exc…

Once you step out of the EU , consumer protections quickly disappear. Your experience in India would not be not unusual in NA for consumer electronics or computer components. "No returns, all defective products must be handled, at your shipping expense, by manufacturer's warranty" is a very common policy in this sector in North America, as is "final sale, even if defective or counterfeit."

I have never purchased any electronics under those terms in the US, certainly not brand new electronics by retail.

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by Exuma » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 2:05 AM UTC

fxtentacle wrote: post #116

Exuma wrote: post #107

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Yes, I actually quite literally fear for my life from factory chemicals or defects. A few years ago I saw a charger that was amazon's "best seller" and it had tons of 1 star reviews of peoples houses catching on fire...

I once ordered a USB charger from Amazon that said you needed to have 3m of empty space in every direction to avoid the fire risk. I just wondered how anyone could satisfy that and put the charger into a wooden cupboard. Maybe I should revise that decision now :/

I remembered your post after I saw these

https://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/ifytxk/ysk_t...

https://themarkup.org/banned-bounty/2020/06/18/how-we-invest...

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by nucleardog » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 8:51 AM UTC

icebergwarrior wrote: post #382

nucleardog wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the obvious question is how do you know that you’ve only got legitimate items? Some counterfeiters are of course, shit, so it’s pretty easy for most of us to notice when we order a board game and all the text on the cards is 20% off of centre. But you have to figure that somebody out there is capable of taking a high resolution scan of the materials and printing it without making obvious mistakes like that. A…

I've ordered clothes, furniture (desks, chairs), books, supplements, rugs, and probably a few other things. Everything shows up, seems to be exactly as claimed, is functional, and has worked. So my initial question still stands on what people are complaining is rife with fakes and knock-offs. It seems to be quite niche electronics (huge hard drives, computer components, etc) And if the knock-offs are so good (in your…

If I'm paying a 500% margin on a product, I want my money to go to the person that actually put the work in to create it so they can make more products, not to a counterfeiter?

But that's just my personal preference.

You've completely skipped over "90% of Apple products are counterfeit". They are not niche, are not easily discernible, and pose a safety hazard.