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Re: Can't you just right click?

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You may be surprised how much equivalent laptops from other OEMs have caught up. The Dell XPS is very similar to the Macbook Pro, and Dell supports Ubuntu on it.

How do the trackpad and battery life compare?

Have yet to see a non Mac track pad that has more than two gestures..

Re: Can't you just right click?

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This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

Could that be turned into a little funding opportunity? "Here are the sources, here are the binaries, here you subscribe to get access to signed binaries that run without the scare quotes"

The developer who signs the software is thereby taking legal responsibility for the software, and taking the blame if anything is wrong with it. That's not a good risk unless you're signing for someone you trust completely.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Not the parent, but: How does a certificate let "macOS verify the app is free from malware"?

If the signed software is notarized, and the signature checks out, then you can be sure that Apple did some malware-scan-like process to the app on their server at some point(1) and that the app you’re seeing is the same one they saw. (1) and probably a manual review if the App under analysis was found to call into any but a whitelist of “safe” system APIs. Without the code signing, you can’t be sure that the app you…

I think we all agree on what the security benefits are, because we know what’s going on. But Apple is telling users that they can’t verify it’s free from malware, implying that all notarized code is free from malware, which is a ridiculous claim to make, and discourages people from using excellent software that Apple, for whatever arbitrary reason they like, have decided not to notarize.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

In my day job, I work on a relatively large open-source non-GUI application

macOS is becoming an increasingly difficult platform on which to release software. We're going down the notarization rabbit hole (which is a nightmare), but given that we don't fit on the App Store, it's very obvious that Apple doesn't want us on the platform.

My suspicion is that they will eventually charge $$$ for a "developer unlock" on Apple Silicon, a move that I think will make both Windows and Linux look increasingly attractive to developers.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Apple has been making things more and more restrictive over a decade now. New versions of mac os introducing new restrictions. Doesn't take a genius to see that their end goal is to make mac os as restrictive as ios. When that happens, will it still be the right spot for you?

You stop using Apple and go to a reasonable OS. You and I are not going to help Apple keep their $2T valuation, we are no longer the market not been one for 5 + years for Apple Apple moved their focus from the professional market who were willing to pay premium for productivity with better UX/Hardware/Software, to people paying just the premium . It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not beca…

>It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not because there is real value they gain for the higher cost.

Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day.

This is basically a slippery slope fallacy. Today they're making it marginally hard, what might they do tomorrow?!?

There are many reasons to prefer macOS to Linux or Windows. The Apple ecosystem works extraordinarily well together. There is nothing that you can buy, not with all the money in the world, that matches the seamlessness of owning an Apple Watch, iPhone, iPad, AirPods, and a macOS device. You can't do it with Linux, Windows, Android, or anything else. It doesn't exist.

I prefer macOS for development work, and for basically any kind of work. I loathe the Windows UI/UX and Linux is far too often a second (or third) class citizen. There is nothing that I have needed to do that I have been unable to do because of macOS. Not once.

Not to mention... if you want to write software for macOS, iPadOS, WatchOS, or iOS you must own at least one Mac.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Because it says the binary is damaged/malware/sketchy and that is not correct.

It doesn't say that. It says that it can't verify the developer, and can't verify that the software is free of malware. It's just some arbitrary piece of software, could be written by anyone, and/or could be software that purports to be Word or Photoshop or whatever, but has been modified. Granted, you could quibble with the details (does pointing out that you can't verify that it's free from malware imply that you c…

They couldn’t verify it’s free of malware no matter how much scanning they do. That’s not quibbling with details, it is the fundamental claim that Apple is making.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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I deal with this every day, because we only notarize our electron app in CI if we're building the master branch or an RC branch. I don't see it mentioned in the article, but what gets me every time is that the "right-click" trick only works the second time you try to launch the app. The first time, right-click or not, MacOS won't let you launch the app.

I do wish Apple had a free tier for open source projects, just like many other tools on the web.

As an alternative, I wish there was an easy way to "sponsor" open source projects for this sort of thing. (I guess there is in some cases, but it's pretty hit or miss)

On Windows, although it's pretty easy to run unsigned applications, it's a huge pain to install unsigned 64 bit drivers, even if it's just the inf file that's custom. I've ended up signing open-source drivers several times with my own code signing certificate (a few hundred bucks every few years) although I haven't distributed the result. Drivers for things like USB SDRs.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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It could. But still, someone has to develop iOS itself. And someone has to write the server back-ends that all those apps depend on. And the cloud infrastructure that those back-ends run within. By definition there will always be something out there that can't be developed on a locked-down platform. So there will always be an open platform, even if Apple decided one day (again, unlikely I think) to recuse themselves…

But the people who make iOS work for apple, can't they use an in house proprietary tool set, to develop it?

Sure they could. They could basically fork macOS and maintain an entirely separate version just for developing iOS, iPadOS, WatchOS, and macOS. I don't know why in the world they would do that.

This whole "issue" is just Apple trying to get people to put their software in the Mac App Store. Maybe a day will come where Apple try and lock down macOS to the level that they have locked down iOS... but I just don't see it happening. Apple will always need developers to develop software for Apple products.

Maybe they will drop a nuclear bomb on themselves. Anything is theoretically possible.

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It seems like the right balance. As the author says: > As a Mac developer, it's nearly impossible to run a viable software business when this is the first-run experience of new customers. You'll never get any new customers! This is why every Mac developer I know signs up for Developer ID and ships only signed, notarized apps. It would be financial suicide to do otherwise. If you have hung your shingle out to make a p…

I would generally like my open-source software not not be marked as malware.

I would generally like my malware to not be marked as malware.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Is there any Linux distribution charging an yearly fee for package signing?

Android? (Mostly joking, but it is Linux-based even if not a regular distribution and iirc Play Store "vetting" costs money as well.)

I don't think F-Droid costs money
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