Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

npr.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

351–360 of 1001 posts

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

#351

Post by strbean »

matz1 wrote: post #139
strbean wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how is a gymgoer endangering you Perhaps they are an essential worker, and don't have the option to stay at home? Perhaps they have medical issues that leave them immunocompromised and may require hospitalization, putting them at a high risk of death from exposure to COVID patients? Perhaps they are unemployed or at risk of unemployment due to pandemic restrictions, and the irresponsible behavior of people who are…

All of these risk exist in the past with flu and other diseases, should we then always shutdown ?

The risk exists of getting impaled with a piece of rebar falling from a construction site. So how dare you criticize people for stabbing others?

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

#353

Post by txru »

eanzenberg wrote: post #314
readingnews wrote: post #211

There is a crossfit gym that I pass by every morning on the way to work. It is full, and never stopped during this pandemic. Even at 7AM, it is full of patrons. I would call the "proper authorities", but since there is a State Police car parked outside every morning, and he is in there working out, just like before the pandemic, I doubt calling anyone would do anything. Adding to the post, I read it earlier... it is…

>>>I would call the "proper authorities" Why? What harm is going on here? If you don’t like it, don’t participate. Leave us alone, narc.

Nobody particularly cares about people doing high-contagion activities like going to a gym, for the people in the gym themselves, the ethical problem is that they're very few degrees of separation away from people who can't afford to be exposed. Even if you drive by and mind your own business, that gym almost certainly has a blast radius of unnecessary infections and deaths.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

#354

Post by jacobwilliamroy »

andrelayer wrote: post #332

I think a lot of people in this discussion are pitting the argument at people prioritizing their individual choices over the collective health of the community. I think that is a very singular framing from one side. A lot of people I know just believe that the virus itself is not as deadly as the reaction warrants. The infectious mortality rate of Covid is at best twice that of the normal flu, which isn't nothing and…

Not "possible depression". Depression. The economy crashed. It's over. The government's been buying the stock market to prop everything up. All the numbers you see are fabricated. The market never recovered from the initial crash.

Last I checked a 3rd of Americans aren't paying rent now? It's going to explode dude.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

#355

Post by wiradikusuma »

andrelayer wrote: post #332

I think a lot of people in this discussion are pitting the argument at people prioritizing their individual choices over the collective health of the community. I think that is a very singular framing from one side. A lot of people I know just believe that the virus itself is not as deadly as the reaction warrants. The infectious mortality rate of Covid is at best twice that of the normal flu, which isn't nothing and…

But you know that you can be a carrier and infect less healthy people right?

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

#356

Post by dang »

eanzenberg wrote: post #337

It’s not even a secret. Outside, in Lake Merritt are roughly 50 people daily working out with weights in the grass. No distancing. No masks. No fuss. No china flu. No china cold.

I get that your comments are advocating for a contrarian opinion, and that's a frustrating position to be in, but would you please stop doing it with snark, flamebait, and gratuitous provocation? It isn't just that it breaks the site guidelines. The problem is also that it discredits whatever truth there is in your minority view, because posts like this give people an extraneous reason to reject it: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor....

This comment would be fine without the provocations at the end.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

#357

Post by mitjak »

grugagag wrote: post #209
cowboysauce wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Outdoors is not only safer but also more pleasant. Speak for yourself. I live in a hot and humid place and exercising outside is incredibly unpleasant. It's 10 times worse if you're standing in direct sunlight. >Calistenics aka exercises with the weight of your body are quite efficient and don’t make one look like an ogre What if I want to look like an ogre?

You’re an exception and you are more than welcome to join a secret gym. I was just pointing out to others that outdoors is a good option for exercising, at least during the summer. If you want to look like an ogre you probably don’t want to be seen outdoors anyways.

i find ogres attractive, maybe don't shame people for having different preferences from you?

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

#358

Post by lazide »

andrelayer wrote: post #332

I think a lot of people in this discussion are pitting the argument at people prioritizing their individual choices over the collective health of the community. I think that is a very singular framing from one side. A lot of people I know just believe that the virus itself is not as deadly as the reaction warrants. The infectious mortality rate of Covid is at best twice that of the normal flu, which isn't nothing and…

Best data I've seen is 6x (.63% IFR). And due to lack of existing immunity from the Flu which keeps the flu at less than 10% of the population/yr, we're looking at a dramatic death toll.

That people don't want to believe it, without evidence to the contrary, just makes them solidly into the wishful thinking category - and likely spreaders that will inevitably get someone killed.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

#359

Post by e12e »

andrelayer wrote: post #332

I think a lot of people in this discussion are pitting the argument at people prioritizing their individual choices over the collective health of the community. I think that is a very singular framing from one side. A lot of people I know just believe that the virus itself is not as deadly as the reaction warrants. The infectious mortality rate of Covid is at best twice that of the normal flu, which isn't nothing and…

In regards to how dangerous it is, there are two other important factors - the number of people that don't get terribly ill, but suffer long term effects - and the fact that if any local/regional health system is overwhelmed - all those survivors who needed intubation would have been casualties. I'm not sure how that would affect the effective mortality rate.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

#360

Post by polote »

ceejayoz wrote: post #302
polote wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it amazing we can not see short term sacrifice for long term gain. Maybe because nobody successfully proved to these people (me included) that this sacrifice is useful. You can't tell to people, you have no risk of dying (0.5% death rate for population, much much lower for healthy and young people), people who are at risk of dying can protect themselves even around sick people (wearing a mask, staying at hom…

> Maybe because nobody successfully proved to these people (me included) that this sacrifice is useful. > people who are at risk of dying can protect themselves even around sick people (wearing a mask, staying at home, washing hands, ...) This makes it clear "nobody successfully proved" really means "I didn't bother to listen". The messaging on masks has long been "they reduce transmission by infected people", not "t…

The head of the strategy of Sweden, keep repeating that he is not sure masks are working, how you can be so sure that he is wrong, and decides that's others who are not listening ?

Of course it is clear that if someone has covid and wear a mask, the probability to transmit covid will decrease (I was actually encourage people to wear a mask 6 months ago), but will it stop ? no. people can still transmit it by touching you. So yeah this is decreasing the risk, but is it decreasing the risk high enough that it will prevent the virus to spread ? Nobody has answered the question yet.

In France the mask is mandatory almost everywhere and still the number of cases keep increasing

Post reply on HN