Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition • Hacker News Board

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by TylerE » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:17 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #170

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #31

Did the "shutdown normal gym" mean that patrons would be violating whatever policies forced the gym to shutdown in the first place? If so, that really bothers me. Any excess contagion would endanger everyone, not just the gym users. Please consider reporting the details to the appropriate authorities. EDIT: If someone is inclined to downvote this comment, I'd be very grateful for a clarification why (comment or DM).…

Reporting to the authorities in the US means calling the police. Don’t call the police in America. Furthermore, virus or no virus, the right to peacefully assemble is a human right that cannot legally or morally be abridged. I don’t want the police to shut down protests. I also don’t want them to shut down gyms, or voting, or churches, or any other peaceful reason (dumb) people wish to assemble. Assembly in the middl…

> Reporting to the authorities in the US means calling the police.

No it doesn't.

It could mean code enforcement, or the health department.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by pak9rabid » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:17 PM UTC

raziel2701 wrote: post #8

have_faith wrote: post #4

> Her work makes it hard for her to talk to reporters, so we're not using her last name Surely if you feel it necessary to omit someones last name you should err on the side of caution and omit their first name too? A fist name narrows a search down significantly.

"Good morning class. A certain agitator, for privacy's sake let's call her Lisa S... No, that's too obvious. Let's say L. Simpson."

That damned colored chalk causing problems again.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by kyleblarson » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #78

dragosmocrii wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. The last couple months has done more damage than good to me. I'm that type of person who'll lose muscle quickly if stops working out for mote than 2 weeks. I also played a couple games of volleyball and tennis, and I'm so clumsy I'm embarrassed I lost control of my body. Meanwhile, thr local gyms havr silly rules to restrict people's access...

The last couple months has done more damage than good to me. I'm that type of person who'll lose muscle quickly if stops working out for mote than 2 weeks. It's not about you. It's about everyone else. How can someone be so selfish and self-absorbed that they think their "muscle mass" is more important than the health of hundreds or thousands of other people? I know this question may violate some HN policy, but I can…

If you want to be Howard Hughes that's your choice. If someone wants to stay healthy through exercise that's their choice.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by maerF0x0 » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

Ansil849 wrote: post #29

This seems incredibly dangerous. Are the speakeasy gyms requiring negative COVID tests? Are they doing temperature screenings upon entry? How diligently are they sanitizing equipment? How well ventilated are these various areas? Why are people ignoring all of these risks, what kind of threat model do they have?

The rational goes something like this:

    If the screenings work, why are we closed? 
    If the screenings dont work, why bother doing it?

In some ways the gov't has played itself by not being consistent, and by giving people a shitty education.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by ashtonkem » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

dfee wrote: post #177

ashtonkem wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never understood the demand for timelines. Pandemics do not care about calendars, and expecting our response to a pandemic to have an expiration date struck me as both folly and hubris of a lethal variety. Now if we expected our government to set conditions of the lock down ending, that would be better. Something based around the pandemic itself, such as new infections per day and test positivity would probabl…

You’re confusing a constraint of the granted power (time-duration for an emergency action within the social contract) and the constraint of the situation (time-duration of the virus). No one is arguing whether the virus is on our clock. The argument is whether we’ve granted our governments the right to indefinitely extend their emergency authorizations.

No, I am not confusing the two. I am in fact arguing that limiting the governments powers to fight the pandemic based on time is bad, because it ties our ability to fight the pandemic to a metric that is completely unrelated to successfully fighting the pandemic.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by MiroF » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #189

MiroF wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is a reckless driver endangering you, if you are driving safely?

This is a poor analogy that I find often steers the discussion to useless reductio ad absurdum

And yet somehow the GP managed to reply defending drunk driving as victimless instead. Sometimes analogies can be useful to reveal people's bizarre ideological commitments.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by seppin » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:19 PM UTC

lebedsalavat wrote: post #100

reaperducer wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last couple months has done more damage than good to me. I'm that type of person who'll lose muscle quickly if stops working out for mote than 2 weeks. It's not about you. It's about everyone else. How can someone be so selfish and self-absorbed that they think their "muscle mass" is more important than the health of hundreds or thousands of other people? I know this question may violate some HN policy, but I can…

totally agree. Stop living life because there's a chance of dying.

How did "do three things to prevent mass death" (distance, mask, wash hands) become "we're all going to die anyways so i'll keep doing whatever I want thank you."

Is America really that filled with narcissists?

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:19 PM UTC

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #138

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

on HN it is common practice to downvote when you do not agree with someone, but don't have any new information to add that is worthy of a comment. So basically don't worry about votes. If you start getting flagged that is a different story.

I appreciate the advice! I've made peace with HN's unexplained downvotes in general. Still, I'm trying hard to improve my communication style, so any feedback I can get regarding bad/good tone in my comments is super helpful.

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Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by sneak » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:19 PM UTC

TylerE wrote: post #191

sneak wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reporting to the authorities in the US means calling the police. Don’t call the police in America. Furthermore, virus or no virus, the right to peacefully assemble is a human right that cannot legally or morally be abridged. I don’t want the police to shut down protests. I also don’t want them to shut down gyms, or voting, or churches, or any other peaceful reason (dumb) people wish to assemble. Assembly in the middl…

> Reporting to the authorities in the US means calling the police. No it doesn't. It could mean code enforcement, or the health department.

Same deal. If either of those groups tell you to close (and they already have, in the case of speakeasy gyms), who do you think shows up next to make sure you’re closed?

It’s not men carrying clipboards. They’re carrying pistols, and they have machine guns in the trunk of the vehicle they drove there.

DO NOT call the state to solve your problems.

If you wouldn’t solve the problem by taking a gun over there, don’t call someone else to do that.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by dublin » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:19 PM UTC

mauflows wrote: post #145

dublin wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are making the fallacious assumption that the Wuhan virus actually endangers everyone. It doesn't - we know that many groups are only minimally affected. The way to get back to normal is to get back to normal. "Fifteen days to flatten the curve" has morphed into "as long as it takes to crush the economy". We are now at the point of no return for most small businesses, without which the economy of the modern world…

Or you know Congress could spend some money as the fed chairman has called for

Where is that money going to come from, if we've destroyed the engine of the economy? Small business is the engine of the economy, and since they can't afford FAANG's Irish Double Dutch sandwich tax dodges, they actually pay most of the taxes. With small businesses and their employees gone and not paying taxes, there is quite simply no money to spend. History shows that you can only print your way out of such a situation for a very short time...