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Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by baby » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

dragosmocrii wrote: post #62

matz1 wrote: post #42

Bad policies deserve to be violated. > Please consider reporting the details to the appropriate authorities No, on the contrary I'm encouraging people to go out and resume their normal activities.

This. The last couple months has done more damage than good to me. I'm that type of person who'll lose muscle quickly if stops working out for mote than 2 weeks. I also played a couple games of volleyball and tennis, and I'm so clumsy I'm embarrassed I lost control of my body. Meanwhile, thr local gyms havr silly rules to restrict people's access...

this comment is the best illustration of the western's individualism culture.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by Jommi » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #144

Jommi wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're just again repeating this same unscientific fearmongering as everyone else. Yes, there are possible outcomes that are absolutely terrible and potentially even permanent! Nobody is debating this. However, what we need to have a real and fact-based discussion is that how prevalent these outcomes are, what are they based on, and what groups are most affected. Then we as a society can come together and choose what…

Something I've learned, which I definitely did not know before covid, is that a lot of common viruses do this kind of damage. Including the ones which cause colds, and definitely more serious viruses like influenza. Heart problems are definitely not unique to coronavirus, and in fact a lot of what we are seeing is par for the course. It's just that this is a very high profile pandemic and there is a huge amount of re…

Yes your last sentence is correct. It is very obvious what's happening, yet even people here on HN (who usually challenge this kind of populist stuff) don't seem to understand it. It's very intriguing.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by iancmceachern » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

qppo wrote: post #140

iancmceachern wrote: post #77

I saw an engineering services company I know of post a new job position for a "care coordinator" to babysit their employees kids, at work, while the employees work. My first thought was, isn't that a daycare? How is it different in the eyes of the law? Edited- spelling

Since about April I've seen a daycare go on a daily walk with the kids every morning and 3-4 adults supervising them.

Here (SF), my understanding is that day care is only able to be open of they are serving essential workers.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by kingkawn » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

abfan1127 wrote: post #65

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #31

Did the "shutdown normal gym" mean that patrons would be violating whatever policies forced the gym to shutdown in the first place? If so, that really bothers me. Any excess contagion would endanger everyone, not just the gym users. Please consider reporting the details to the appropriate authorities. EDIT: If someone is inclined to downvote this comment, I'd be very grateful for a clarification why (comment or DM).…

Its likely you're getting down voted for being a snitch. Normally, I'd down vote you for this (as people down vote my posts which disagree with their opinions regardless of facts presented), but I take great joy in seeing how many down votes I can get ruffling feathers. Others aren't like me.

/r/iamverybadass

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

ashtonkem wrote: post #150

dx87 wrote: post #109

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> Now we have a lot of governors issuing decrees based on emergency authorities that they’ve been using for six months. This is quite simply a conflict with our basic notion of democracy. We do not have rulers, yet our governors are issuing rules purportedly carrying the weight of law with no oversight from legislature. That was my biggest issue with the whole situation in the USA. All of these emergency measures wer…

I have never understood the demand for timelines. Pandemics do not care about calendars, and expecting our response to a pandemic to have an expiration date struck me as both folly and hubris of a lethal variety. Now if we expected our government to set conditions of the lock down ending, that would be better. Something based around the pandemic itself, such as new infections per day and test positivity would probabl…

>I have never understood the demand for timelines. Pandemics do not care about calendars, and expecting our response to a pandemic to have an expiration date struck me as both folly and hubris of a lethal variety.

I'm sure the legislature will have no problem forgoing a game of golf with lobbyists in order to vote to extend a bill that gives government more power. They have no problem doing that every time the Patriot Act comes back up.

There's no good reason emergency measures can't have sunset clauses.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by jayd16 » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

hammock wrote: post #61

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #31

Did the "shutdown normal gym" mean that patrons would be violating whatever policies forced the gym to shutdown in the first place? If so, that really bothers me. Any excess contagion would endanger everyone, not just the gym users. Please consider reporting the details to the appropriate authorities. EDIT: If someone is inclined to downvote this comment, I'd be very grateful for a clarification why (comment or DM).…

Downvoting because it's none of your business. Honest question - and if you choose to downvote me I'd ask you extend me the same courtesy you asked for - how is a gymgoer endangering you, if you are staying 6ft from all others, wearing a mask, washing your hands and not touching your face?

Those are big ifs. The reason businesses were shut down is because policy was put in place to enforce distancing and the business could not meet those policies.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by nitrogen » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

closeparen wrote: post #146

throw0101a wrote: post #113

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> I thought it was more insulting for that person to value the work of hairdressers and manicurists and yoga instructors on an equal basis with firefighters, doctors, paramedics, and actual real "essential" workers. Part of fairness is in treating equal things equally, and unequal things unequally. Even talking about non-first responders, the folks in supermarkets are more essential on this spectrum than beauticians…

When armies mobilize, they don’t carry supermarkets, but they do carry barbers.

You ninja'd your comment into something completely different... Responsing to your original comment about MREs: the supply chains for supermarkets already exist. I'd be very surprised if there were enough MREs to feed everyone for a year and then still have the ability to restart normal supply chains from a dead stop.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by ta17711771 » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

matz1 wrote: post #139

strbean wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how is a gymgoer endangering you Perhaps they are an essential worker, and don't have the option to stay at home? Perhaps they have medical issues that leave them immunocompromised and may require hospitalization, putting them at a high risk of death from exposure to COVID patients? Perhaps they are unemployed or at risk of unemployment due to pandemic restrictions, and the irresponsible behavior of people who are…

All of these risk exist in the past with flu and other diseases, should we then always shutdown ?

The infectiousness and lifeline of this virus is pretty uniquely long, for the record.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by Ansil849 » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

Swizec wrote: post #91

Ansil849 wrote: post #29

This seems incredibly dangerous. Are the speakeasy gyms requiring negative COVID tests? Are they doing temperature screenings upon entry? How diligently are they sanitizing equipment? How well ventilated are these various areas? Why are people ignoring all of these risks, what kind of threat model do they have?

I go to a boxing class in the park. We meet 2x/week and train together. You can’t distance while boxing. Here’s my threat model: - we’re all young, healthy, and in good shape - we all wear masks during normal life, some of us even while training - we all social distance and follow the right protocols outside of boxing - it’s always the same group of people - 2x/week seems like low enough frequency that exposure won’t…

I think there are quite a number of safe(r) things you're doing which speakeasies don't seem to be - you're meeting in an outdoor space with a continuous group you know. Based on other anecdotes it seems that there are people more or less literally renting out their garages and basements to strangers.

Re: Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition

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Post by sneak » Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #31

Did the "shutdown normal gym" mean that patrons would be violating whatever policies forced the gym to shutdown in the first place? If so, that really bothers me. Any excess contagion would endanger everyone, not just the gym users. Please consider reporting the details to the appropriate authorities. EDIT: If someone is inclined to downvote this comment, I'd be very grateful for a clarification why (comment or DM).…

Reporting to the authorities in the US means calling the police. Don’t call the police in America.

Furthermore, virus or no virus, the right to peacefully assemble is a human right that cannot legally or morally be abridged.

I don’t want the police to shut down protests. I also don’t want them to shut down gyms, or voting, or churches, or any other peaceful reason (dumb) people wish to assemble.

Assembly in the middle of a pandemic is stupid and irresponsible. I don’t do it.

I also don’t want men with guns stopping those that do. You can’t fix (or stop) stupid with a Glock and a uniform, which is what TFA is illustrating.