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Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidence: research

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Re: Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidence: research

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Post by libtarred »

adamgia wrote: post #176
faceplanted wrote: post #141

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> no matter what you may think of him as a person, it is a good strategy The thing about Jordan Peterson's book is that the chapter titles are usually _great advice_, but the content always tends to slide into his strange, mediocrely researched conservative ramblings and sometime worse, at one point he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape, at others he veers right into granddad…

Well, you can't please everyone - in this case your interpretation is a stretch to say the least (Just about admits blaming a patient for their rape? Where did you get that?) and it sounds like you have a problem with conservatives (which I wouldn't say JBP is) rather than the actual book/author.

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Re: Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidence: research

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Post by schoolornot »

tim333 wrote: post #185
infogulch wrote: post #143

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Last month Jordan Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila appeared on her podcast to talk about how he got out of treatment. https://youtu.be/HLWgVpmo1e0

That's kind of a freaky story. Enough to put you off mind altering drugs in general.

Yeah, I'm sorry but there is clearly a pattern in the US and maybe elsewhere of mental professionals not being all that mentally stable and more often than not raising kids that have problems of their own. I'm not sure if it's a result of something innate or that their brains become sponges that soak up the worst in people and that translates into issues within their lives. Unless you are at a level where you can't function in society, I feel that it's wise to steer clear of these shrinks.

Re: Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidence: research

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Post by gridlockd »

DjiboutiJon wrote: post #186
faceplanted wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no matter what you may think of him as a person, it is a good strategy The thing about Jordan Peterson's book is that the chapter titles are usually _great advice_, but the content always tends to slide into his strange, mediocrely researched conservative ramblings and sometime worse, at one point he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape, at others he veers right into granddad…

Disclaimer: I am a great admirer of Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, and other professors who are researching meaning. > he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape I think you've done a fantastic job strawmanning the chapter and book and man to the first story of the chapter to suit your ideological frame of reference. The chapter for anyone who wants to read it for themselves is C…

I think your admiration might be clouding your judgement. JP is a great orator, but a poor writer. He's also not a good narrator of his own writings.

I therefore can't recommend his books in any form. You can get the gist of his ideas from his videos.

Re: Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidence: research

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Post by gridlockd »

libtarred wrote: post #191
adamgia wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you can't please everyone - in this case your interpretation is a stretch to say the least (Just about admits blaming a patient for their rape? Where did you get that?) and it sounds like you have a problem with conservatives (which I wouldn't say JBP is) rather than the actual book/author.

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So your bigotry is justified because conservatives as a cohort exhibit elevated levels of certain unfavorable attributes?

Re: Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidence: research

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Post by libtarred »

gridlockd wrote: post #194
libtarred wrote: post #191

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So your bigotry is justified because conservatives as a cohort exhibit elevated levels of certain unfavorable attributes?

If having a problem with callousness and bigotry is in itself bigoted, then yes sure, whatever.

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Post by tryauuum »

monadic2 wrote: post #171
tryauuum wrote: post #162

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can't tell if you indeed don't know about taboos about birth names or you are being ironic... It's hard to detect irony online

I actually am unaware about taboos regarding birth names. Please let me know of my ignorance.

Weird, I tried to google it and found almost nothing. I was sure many cultures had this tradition when they call their child a fake name, while keeping real name a secret. It is thought that evil forces cannot harm child if they don't know their real name.

All I could find was a paragraph on wikipedia:

All previously mentioned names fall into domestic category were used in family circle. However, when a person entered a broader social group (changing his occupation or place of residence), his name was replaced or supplemented by another. This sort of nickname exceeds family names in number - an adult has more distinct characteristics that can be used as a basis for a nickname than a child.

Re: Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidence: research

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Post by gridlockd »

libtarred wrote: post #195
gridlockd wrote: post #194

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So your bigotry is justified because conservatives as a cohort exhibit elevated levels of certain unfavorable attributes?

If having a problem with callousness and bigotry is in itself bigoted, then yes sure, whatever.

No, having a problem with republicans as a group just because on average they are more callous or bigoted, that is bigotry.

Suppose that black people are, on average, more homophobic than white people[1]. I have a problem with homophobia and homophobic people, not black people as a group, because I can differentiate between the group and the individual.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia_in_ethnic_minority_...

Re: Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidence: research

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Post by john4534243 »

lopmotr wrote: post #170
john4534243 wrote: post #99

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> I suspect that what you really mean is Guevara fought for what you think is just. But that's a weaker statement. You might have mistaken me as a supporter of communism. I don't support communism. Osama Bin Laden exploited the religion for his personal gain. His goal is to become the caliph which is roughly equivalent to being the single military leader for entier Islam as said in the quoran. He did not bother about…

That's are pretty complicated boundary between good and bad you've defined there. Political ideology is OK but not religious ideology? Being a 2nd in command is OK but not a national leader?

> Political ideology is OK but not religious ideology? Right. Religious ideology is without a doubt is exploitation. Political ideology that does not involve religion is probably coming out of good intentions.

> Being a 2nd in command is OK but not a national leader? The point is he is not after power and did not try to become 2nd in command either. He left the minister position he had given after the war and left to another country to start a revolution where he was killed. So looking all these facts he actions must be coming from the noble intentions.

Re: Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidence: research

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Post by DjiboutiJon »

gridlockd wrote: post #193
DjiboutiJon wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I am a great admirer of Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, and other professors who are researching meaning. > he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape I think you've done a fantastic job strawmanning the chapter and book and man to the first story of the chapter to suit your ideological frame of reference. The chapter for anyone who wants to read it for themselves is C…

I think your admiration might be clouding your judgement. JP is a great orator, but a poor writer. He's also not a good narrator of his own writings. I therefore can't recommend his books in any form. You can get the gist of his ideas from his videos.

I think that is fair- I can't judge whether it is a tough book, or a poorly written book, or an unusual book even. I still however this this comment is unjustified assuming "bad book" means bad in the all-encompassing sense:

> Honestly it's a bad book and people would be better off literally just reading the Quora question and answer that inspired it.

Re: Having an alter ego can reduce anxiety, benefit confidence: research

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Post by infogulch »

schoolornot wrote: post #192
tim333 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's kind of a freaky story. Enough to put you off mind altering drugs in general.

Yeah, I'm sorry but there is clearly a pattern in the US and maybe elsewhere of mental professionals not being all that mentally stable and more often than not raising kids that have problems of their own. I'm not sure if it's a result of something innate or that their brains become sponges that soak up the worst in people and that translates into issues within their lives. Unless you are at a level where you can't f…

I downvoted this comment because it contains no substance past an ad hominem attack against JP and his family, thinly veiled as 'mental health professionals', ('mentally unstable', 'raises kids with problems', 'something wrong with them', 'soak up badness from other people', 'shrinks') with no evidence, and perpetuates the US' incredibly damaging culture of perceiving stumbling on mental health issues as being caused by an innate problem with the person instead of being a treatable health condition.

I don't see why mental health professionals should be magically exempt from getting hit by mental problems, and I don't think it means that there's something wrong with them if they do. Mental health professionals are still just people, and like any person they also are subject to health problems. Are doctors exempt from getting sick because they fix sick people? If a doctor gets sick is that evidence that their career is done and their entire profession is invalid?

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