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Re: Umami: Self-hosted open-source alternative to Google Analytics

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Post by eric4smith »

Lots of home-grown analytics are very privacy focussed these days and do not use cookies. That's a good thing.

For simple sites like blogs, simple low volume ecommerce, etc.

But for more "serious" eCommerce, SAAS based applications and sites that are concerned with marketing on email, social and web then then optimizing what you show then and finally generating leads for salespeople to call or actual sales...

Cookies or local storage, or some way of tracking the customer across all the channels and their actions are essential.

If one can avoid using Google Analytics, then that's a good thing also.

But let's get real -- the idea of a cookie-less future is not gonna happen because people actually do business in the web.

Re: Umami: Self-hosted open-source alternative to Google Analytics

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Post by stiray »

mcao wrote: post #108
malisper wrote: post #103

One of the claims of Umami is that it's GDPR compliant: > Umami does not collect any personally identifiable information so it is GDPR and CCPA compliant. No cookie notices are needed because Umami does not use cookies. From auditing the source code, this doesn't seem to be the case. First, it claims it doesn't use cookies, but it clearly uses localStorage to store a "sessionKey"[0]. The other claim, that Umami is GD…

I am not a lawyer so I cannot say for sure what constitutes PII and what breaches GDPR. I am using the same techniques as Fathom Analytics, Plausible.io and other products. Everything is hashed into a unique session id and none of the actual data like user agent or IP address is actually stored. It is the same data that is found in server log files. In the strictest interpretation of GDPR, I don't think any analytics…

Maybe this might help you, it is roughly 2 hours long but it is as far I am concerned the best explanation of GDPR I have ever seen, done in mostly non legal speech. Actually it is fun to watch (part about borrowing a car is hillarious):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-stjktAu-7k

Re: Umami: Self-hosted open-source alternative to Google Analytics

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Post by swores »

lxe wrote: post #130

I've seen a bunch of these simple self-hosted log dashboards here on HN, but I don't think they directly compare with google analytics, which is just a much more powerful and much much more complicated product. Not to say this isn't a great product, but it really isn't an alternative to GA.

Alternative doesn't have to mean it offers exactly the same - for example a bike is an alternative travel option compared to a bus.

Re: Umami: Self-hosted open-source alternative to Google Analytics

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Post by PinguTS »

Aeolun wrote: post #164
slykar wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've listened to a podcast interview with a lawyer specializing in EU privacy laws and he said that it does not matter if the personal data is hashed or encrypted. It's still personal data. This was about data stored in a database tough, but browser local storage is a database. This was mentioned when the guest spoke about right to be forgotten. The law is really weird, because you need to delete user's data from you…

> it does not matter if the personal data is hashed or encrypted That sounds odd. If there is no way to go back from the hash to the data it is no different from a random string of letters and numbers.

Did you remember when an old data set from AOL was released where the user id had been pseudonymised by some hashing?

The users could be re-identified just by their behavior.

Re: Umami: Self-hosted open-source alternative to Google Analytics

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Post by tekkertje »

mcao wrote: post #76
sahnasidol wrote: post #22

Is there any way to create and track custom events like clicks?

Yes, event tracking is already in the current build. I just haven't finished the UI components or documentation yet. But basically all you have to do is add a CSS class to an element and it will automatically start tracking. Like this: Signup

Would be great to see official custom event tracking support in the future.

Re: Umami: Self-hosted open-source alternative to Google Analytics

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Post by y42 »

divbzero wrote: post #163
malisper wrote: post #103

One of the claims of Umami is that it's GDPR compliant: > Umami does not collect any personally identifiable information so it is GDPR and CCPA compliant. No cookie notices are needed because Umami does not use cookies. From auditing the source code, this doesn't seem to be the case. First, it claims it doesn't use cookies, but it clearly uses localStorage to store a "sessionKey"[0]. The other claim, that Umami is GD…

Would randomly generating the session key instead of hashing client IP and other properties satisfy GDPR’s requirement of no PII? The definition in GDPR Art. 4 reads: [1] > ‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such…

As long as you can connect the id to one single client / user, it is PII. It does not matter, where this id comes from, a random hash, an encrypted IP adress. If it's unique, it's PII.

If you only save it on the server, not on the client side, it's not PII. But then it's almost useless for analytics. Because next time the user comes around, you create another hash and therefore another user.

Re: Umami: Self-hosted open-source alternative to Google Analytics

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Post by csunbird »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #161
justinclift wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://github.com/usefathom/fathom Be careful of this one. It started out as OSS, but switched to proprietary once they'd achieved traction.

Did they have a reason for changing from OSS to free/pro?

money?

Re: Umami: Self-hosted open-source alternative to Google Analytics

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Post by te_chris »

This would be amazing if, out of the box, it sent data to BiqQuery and/or Redshift. Postgres is fine, but for most companies this data is most useful in the warehouse. If this was a simple, drop-in solution to get well formatted data into BQ plus a bit of easy vis, that would be cool and VERY useful.

Re: Umami: Self-hosted open-source alternative to Google Analytics

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Post by aliswe »

mcao wrote: post #69

Hi everyone! Author of Umami here. I totally did not expect this response so it looks like you all hugged my little server to death. The demo should be back up now. A little background. This is a side project I started 30 days ago because I was tired of how slow and complicated Google Analytics was. I just wanted something really simple and fast that I could browse quickly without diving through layers of menus. So I…

Just a little remark: A "Page not found" label flashes by when loading eg. https://app.umami.is/share/ISgW2qz8/flightphp.com
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