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Maybe if they had to pay for the externalities.
Tech and transportation better be paying too then. How much pollution you think those Chinese factories pump out to make your $1000 iPhone?
Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world
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There aren't any articles I can point you to, but I live in Portland, Ore., and between here and Vancouver and Camas, WA, there are a number of collectives that are doing exactly this. They don't publicize, it is word of mouth. They primarily focus on raising chickens and pigs, and butchering them for the members. All members participate somehow. Some members host the animals, others who cannot, contribute for feed a…
Oh, I forgot to mention one other weird thing: this isn't just liberals. There is a frightening large contingency of white supremacists who are into this, and a few showed up at Portland farmers market until they were outed. Regardless of how you feel about having racist nationalists selling next to hippies, self-sufficiency is quite a thing up here.
This non-american finds it amusing that the only two categories of people in Portland are liberals and white supremacists.
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US/Canada Farmed Steelhead Trout, Rainbow Trout: http://seafood.edf.org/trout Arctic Char: http://seafood.edf.org/arctic-char US Farmed Tilapia: http://seafood.edf.org/tilapia US Farmed Catfish: http://seafood.edf.org/catfish Basically, avoid any fish farmed in Asia, as there are no environmental regulations on those.
is trout really sustainable when you need to feed more fish than you can get out of the fish?
It depends on the feed fish and it's environmental footprint.
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#374“Seafood species” is an offending description of the purpose of these animals by the “click bait generator” I mean editor.
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You have a point here, yup. Some vegetables are luxury food, and less efficient than cattle. Replacing nature with monocultures is a problem. If we stop eating cattle for that, there is not moral room to keep eating chocolate, for example. Or coffee
Based on some rough napkin calculations, the caloric efficiency by land of broccoli is about the same as industrial meat. Optimizing diet for land efficiency probably does not produce healthy diets. You can find strong evidence for this trade-off in the changes of average human health at the advent of agriculture.
Not this again, why is it always broccoli that gets brought up in this argument? Nobody is eating kgs broccoli per day to get their calories. Compare industrial meat with beans or rice.
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Are there any viable solutions to the problems with off-shore farming? Last time I checked the ecosystem around you typical Scandinavian salmon farm in the ocean was devestated. We take extreme care not to flush our own sewers into the sea, yet happily permit salmon farms with the equivalent fertilizing effect of a town of 25000 having all their toilets flush everything out on the shore.
To compliment Gordons reply, here's a (norwegian) overview of the environmental conditions around the farms: https://www.fiskeridir.no/Akvakultur/Drift-og-tilsyn/Overvaa... The last years they have hovered around 95% being very good or good. So statistically you are very wrong. But sure there are some localities that have bad conditions, and those should be closed and new localities should be opened for those farmers…
What I am saying is not that that are not following current regulations. I am saying at the current regulations are too weak, which Naturvernforbundet agrees with.
They are _still_ using hydrogen peroxide to combat lice for example, despite it's effect on shrimp and plankton.
I am all for farming fish, but on land in closed systems.
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Exactly! And that is probably the reason why the majority of us should cut down hard on animal based food consumption, just to be on the safe side.
Oh cool let me change my entire lifestyle just to be safe.. For everyone else..
Do you really feel that adjusting ingredients in your meals is equal to changing your entire lifestyle?
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Soooo you still live in our society? Including using bottled water? Cloth from overseas? Consuming highly processed food? You are very much dependent. Whats the difference between me, working in tech, having a good job, great money and being able to put everything i earn in my own land and become independent with something between 40 and 50 versus you? Stoped working, doing small jobs barely making it, not having any…
I agree with you 1000%. Now let me ask you, are you willing and able to put your life savings towards saving the planet? Will you make a $10,000 or $100,000 donation to groups like 350.org? I do regret not following my instincts and going all-in on the stock market and Bitcoin, etc though. I had $20,000 in the bank after a lucrative contract when Bitcoin was $10. I've been following AAPL since it was $12 per share af…
I would love to and it feels like i'm sitting here waiting for everyone to stand up letting all the shit stay and start changing the world.
I started this by talking to people, changing my lifestyle etc. just to get more and more depressed about this topic.
Politics are not fast enough, there are enough people who really don't care and it doesn't feel anyone is starting it.
Im jumping between "saving the planet together" vs. "buying a small plot of land, building a small house on it, putting solar panels and solar thermy on the roof, buying/building a water reserva, building a storehouse and doing indoor farming and living my life until i'm dead".
My mental image of 'men eat meat' has changed the last 10 years for eating less etc. but then you talk to someone else and its the same simple/stupid talk as usual.
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#379If you're interested in adjusting your seafood eating habits towards eating more sustainable seafood, the Monterey Bay Aquarium maintains a guide on which seafood (based on species and location/method of catch) is most sustainable, somewhat sustainable, and not sustainable. My favorite version of the guide is the printable version that you can fold up and put in your wallet: https://www.seafoodwatch.org/seafood-recom…
My father-in-law is a commercial fisherman and very active ecological activist, and becomes livid at the Monterey Bay guide. I don't totally understand why but I think basically he believes it grossly oversimplies commercial seafood chains and in the process hurts producers acting sustainably, and in some cases provides cover for problematic markets before it's too late.
In his case I think this is because the seafood he produces isn't on the guides at all. It's not obscure, just not covered, but he's noticed in using the guides, people tend to avoid products they can't verify as "good". In other cases (in his mind) the guide hurts people working in markets to change the means of production to become more sustainable.
His position is that there's basically no substitute for understanding where your food is coming from. I think he sees the core problem is then disconnect between consumers and production, in that the global production chain has become so financially efficient that sources are completely obscured from purchasers.
I'm not sure I agree with him on everything regarding the guide. The global seafood market is insanely complex, and the guide helps navigate it in at least a simplified way. But I think he's right in a sense that real changes are going to require something more substantial in terms of consumer changes and /or real international regulation and enforcement. There's too much fraud and detachment from actual supply. I don't think fishing is unusual in this regard in the food supply but I do think it's different in that a lot (not all) of it involves wild as opposed to farmed resources.
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#380With the way the human population is expanding and the rising income of 3rd world nations we are really going to look at a major increase in both genetically engineering food stock to be larger and more nutritious as well as ramping up lab grown meat. Conservation is clearly not going to work as so many nations ignore it anyway and quite often regulations lack teeth due to the fear of killing an industry. Its difficu…
We should cease all food aid, and replace it with education, contraception, and abortion for women for starters.