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Canon's cloud platform has lost users' files and can't restore them

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Re: Canon's cloud platform has lost users' files and can't restore them

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This is all because someone thought it would be “easy” to add a stream of recurring revenue for cloud photo storage but didn’t take the time to design the service from a technical perspective to be resilient enough to not crash and burn.

"Is image.canon free to use? Yes, it is free to use."

from: image.canon/st/en/faq.html

so as of now there is no recurring revenue added as of now

Re: Canon's cloud platform has lost users' files and can't restore them

#72
post #12

The camera companies are so bad at software that the software companies are building better cameras than them... in the few millimeters thickness of a phone! I salivate for the day that Google or Apple buys Nikon or Leica or whatever and shoves all of that computational photography goodness under a 24x36mm camera sensor.

I'm not sure what the "software" companies would gain from buying Canon or Leica that they don't already have.

That said, you're also dismissing one of the biggest value propositions camera companies have, which is decades of physical user interface experience and developed hardware modularity. Phones absolutely do not replace good cameras for usability.

When travelling I take a mix of photos between my phone and camera, and when I need my camera it's irreplaceable, and when I don't need my camera, I use my phone. The phone is quick and easy, but the camera makes me a photo ninja and I get specifically configured shots quickly in a way I could never replicate with a phone interface.

Re: Canon's cloud platform has lost users' files and can't restore them

#73

There is one somewhat reassuring lesson here -- No matter the company, no matter the brand, no matter their worth: software development is wrought with challenges, and major mistakes for seemingly obvious things are made by everyone, all the time, at every level.

This is not one of them. Ensuring proper data loss protection is something both Amazon and Google are very good at. A company of Canons size could easily get the proper guidance to avoid it. But it would not have been as cheap as storing the files on your own servers. So this happened because Canon did not want to spend the money on doing it right with offline backups or append only storage in a cloud with enough nines.

Re: Canon's cloud platform has lost users' files and can't restore them

#74

I take nightly images of my computer's primary drive and replicate them offsite, with alerting if it fails and automated scheduled backup restore testing. It blows my mind to think that some random schmuck like me has better backup procedures than these multibillion dollar global corporations. Companies that don't invest in their IT end up paying for it tenfold down the track.

How do you automatically test restores?

Re: Canon's cloud platform has lost users' files and can't restore them

#75
post #49

This is all because someone thought it would be “easy” to add a stream of recurring revenue for cloud photo storage but didn’t take the time to design the service from a technical perspective to be resilient enough to not crash and burn.

This can be just calculated risk. Incredible damage for some users can be negligible damage to the company. In this case just 10TB of data was lost, so maybe thousands of users for the long term storage option. Losing customer data has potential for big reputation or brand damage, but surprisingly often the damage is relatively small. Putting in too much effort when potential damage to business is minimal may not be…

> In this case just 10TB of data was lost, so maybe thousands of users for the long term storage option.

I'm not even a professional photographer and have about 2TiB of photographs.

This is barely data loss in the great scheme of things, but certainly a wake up call for Canon and their users.

Re: Canon's cloud platform has lost users' files and can't restore them

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This can be just calculated risk. Incredible damage for some users can be negligible damage to the company. In this case just 10TB of data was lost, so maybe thousands of users for the long term storage option. Losing customer data has potential for big reputation or brand damage, but surprisingly often the damage is relatively small. Putting in too much effort when potential damage to business is minimal may not be…

This. Outside of FAANG, Gov and finance, very few consumer facing companies have the budgets to engineer redundancies.

That. Who in their right mind would expect IT professionals to take any responsibility whatsoever for the empty promises they make to their users?

Re: Canon's cloud platform has lost users' files and can't restore them

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This can be just calculated risk. Incredible damage for some users can be negligible damage to the company. In this case just 10TB of data was lost, so maybe thousands of users for the long term storage option. Losing customer data has potential for big reputation or brand damage, but surprisingly often the damage is relatively small. Putting in too much effort when potential damage to business is minimal may not be…

This comment reads as "This is normal; nothing to see here move along". Which is more of an indictment on the state of things than on the comment itself. If you can't protect people's shit, don't offer to hold onto it for money!

But we’d make more money!

Re: Canon's cloud platform has lost users' files and can't restore them

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This can be just calculated risk. Incredible damage for some users can be negligible damage to the company. In this case just 10TB of data was lost, so maybe thousands of users for the long term storage option. Losing customer data has potential for big reputation or brand damage, but surprisingly often the damage is relatively small. Putting in too much effort when potential damage to business is minimal may not be…

This. Outside of FAANG, Gov and finance, very few consumer facing companies have the budgets to engineer redundancies.

I’m sure plenty of engineers will be made redundant by this fiasco.

Re: Canon's cloud platform has lost users' files and can't restore them

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose that feature would be incompatible with user data in a GDPR world ??

Git is also incompatible with GDPR, you can't simply delete a file from all history.

You can, you just have to be willing to rewrite history. See git-filter-branch (and don't forget to read the fat WARNING).
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