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I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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Re: I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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Sounds like apple didn't want any competition for in-store ads

I still don't understand those. I paid god damn 1200 euro for this phone. Why am I seeing ads for shitty apps?

Because the stock market demands eternal growth. They've already sold phones to half the planet, they know you won't pay 1300 euro next year, and now they have to find more creative ways to show growth.

Re: I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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The App Store was always a walled garden with notably tall walls. The power Apple has over who gets into the App Store has been described as the primary virtue and attraction of iOS devices for years. Users love that it is a curated collection with a very high bar for quality, and many are willing to accept the trade-off that not all apps (even technically legitimate ones) will be published there.

This is why the web is so important. More to the topic at hand: this is why Apple purposely, broadly second-classing the web on iOS is so important, and needs to stop.

On Android, a directory-style app would be trivial to distribute on the web as an installable PWA that eventually becomes indistinguishable from a native app from the user's perspective. It's 2020; this is a sub-basement level of capability that all platforms should include by now. Let's stop pretending that ceding all the publishing power to one company is a trade-off that makes sense in the long-run (this goes for Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon and all the rest).

Re: I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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My sympathies. That's a really sad story. I don't know if it's any consolation that it was at least discussed among the executives. I don't know why you originally eschewed the web. I've developed on closed platforms in the past: Facebook (when Facebook games like Farmville and Mafia Wars were crazy hot), Silverlight, OpenSocial, Twitter, and now Google Apps Script. My work is always worthless in 2-3 years, and what…

IIUC a web app is essentially a some very old though popular protocols plus a web browser as the runtime. IMO it will always lag behind a native app in terms of access to OS capabilities and runtime efficiency.

Much like a "desktop" app will always lag behind bare metal software in terms of access to hardware capabilities and runtime efficiency.

That's a caricature, but all these platforms provide a variety of scaffolding and security, and the optimal setup is non-obvious.

Re: I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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> It's very weird to be in love with and scared of the same thing: Apple. Sound like an abusive relationship, and like what an abused partner would say to try to rationalize the fact that they're economically dependent on the abuser.

While I try not to use that phrase publicly (because I know it will offend some people who see it as exaggeration), thinking of an Apple developer/customer as being in an abusive relationship is exactly what convinced me to get out & stop using/developing for Apple platforms. It took me a few years to see it, and nudges from friends ("Why do you put up with them treating you like that?") but it was a very useful perspective on Apple for me.

Re: I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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Because people know the difference between websites and apps.

You’re giving the same answers that Apple Marketing would.

Do you think it isn’t true? You seem to be just deflecting.

Re: I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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post #220

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You keep repeating this, but at this point it’s hard to imagine that you really see no difference in either the technology or the experience between what Netflix does and what xCloud does. Do you really not see that there is a difference between watching a movie, and controlling a remote video console which is playing a fully interactive video game?

There’s a difference but it’s relatively pedantic. Netflix has interactive shows and the play/pause is necessarily controlling a remote server as well.

It’s not pedantic to say that movies and videogames are different.

Most people in the world would think you insane if you said you perceived them to be the same thing.

Re: I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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post #272

The App Store was always a walled garden with notably tall walls. The power Apple has over who gets into the App Store has been described as the primary virtue and attraction of iOS devices for years. Users love that it is a curated collection with a very high bar for quality, and many are willing to accept the trade-off that not all apps (even technically legitimate ones) will be published there. This is why the web…

Have you seen the web lately?

Re: I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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My sympathies. That's a really sad story. I don't know if it's any consolation that it was at least discussed among the executives. I don't know why you originally eschewed the web. I've developed on closed platforms in the past: Facebook (when Facebook games like Farmville and Mafia Wars were crazy hot), Silverlight, OpenSocial, Twitter, and now Google Apps Script. My work is always worthless in 2-3 years, and what…

Honestly, making fun of old platforms like the web (which isn't even that old) suggests that the writer is the kind of wide-eyed business huckster playing into Americans' cultural affinity for new tech, and folks like that are a huge chunk of the reason why we have so much technology churn today Old, mature technology is a treasure. Not something to make fun of

As a counter point, there are always some business oldsters who remain attached to their old technology stack, don't really contribute anything to moving innovation forward, and arrive 5 years after a tech has matured with wisecracks which are technology's equivalent of "If you wait long enough, everything reverts to the mean". Sure, but I think we already know that.

Besides, I am not sure how anyone can argue that the level of churn is bad, considering that it is usually proportional to the volume of new ideas and an eventual winner emerging (albeit not always in a meritocratic fashion).

Re: I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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I mean, there’s a point to be made about how much monopoly power Apple holds, and it’s now clear these questions weren’t asked until now because lawmakers were really sweet on the maker of their shiny iPhone - but this letter ain’t it. The author is grovelling to the point of it being honestly pitiful. The amount of derogatory references to the web and Android also make it really hard for me not to question the motiv…

This seems to me to be about trust.
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