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Ask HN: Finding the Australian Aboriginal flag in all artworks
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#53Re: Ask HN: Finding the Australian Aboriginal flag in all artworks
#54I would assume you could not copyright a national flag. If so, well heck I can think of a bunch of flags I need to get copyrighted.
A lot of products use the Swiss flag because of this.
Re: Ask HN: Finding the Australian Aboriginal flag in all artworks
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many flags did you design that later got adopted by countries or people groups? There’s no question he designed it (although that artwork that contains a very similar design is very interesting). But the Government should have probably compulsorarily acquired it by now if he isn’t willing to give it up... I guess they’re waiting for him to die so it won’t be as easy for them to be dragged to the high court over t…
It won't be in the public domain until 70 years after his death. (Though it might be easier to override his heir's claim after he is deceased)
I was talking about the latter - using section 51 of the constitution to acquire the intellectual property (the Australian Government can make a law to compulsorily acquire property from citizens "for any purpose" but only "on just terms").
My reasoning is that they're a lot more likely to have another "The Castle" episode (great movie, by the way) while he's alive rather than when the copyright is assigned or inherited to somebody else after his death.
Re: Ask HN: Finding the Australian Aboriginal flag in all artworks
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
It won't be in the public domain until 70 years after his death. (Though it might be easier to override his heir's claim after he is deceased)
I was talking about the latter - using section 51 of the constitution to acquire the intellectual property (the Australian Government can make a law to compulsorily acquire property from citizens "for any purpose" but only "on just terms"). My reasoning is that they're a lot more likely to have another "The Castle" episode (great movie, by the way) while he's alive rather than when the copyright is assigned or inheri…
Thanks! Do you perhaps know any cases of acquired intellectual property?
I don't see any mentions of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_51(xxxi)_of_the_Consti...
Re: Ask HN: Finding the Australian Aboriginal flag in all artworks
#57Harold Thomas is an artist who created something and is still fully alive.
He has every dam right to do as he wishes with his own creation.
He has always had copyright and everyone knows this. It's his creation, it came from him, it's used today exactly as he created, nothing derivative.
If you don't want to respect this you can also shove your GPL or shove your copyright over books. You show respect what people create or you don't.
To the question, to attack him I'd start searching here - https://trove.nla.gov.au/ See if you can find early articles saying how he did it, he might say he copied in part something or you might be able to twist what he says against him. Track possible artists or styles over picture search.
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#58The recognition is the easier part (I'd be more than happy to help, email in my profile), the far harder part is identifying what historic photos to identify them in. News archives would be a good source but copyright laws (rearing their ugly neck again) prevent us from easily obtaining a large stack of them. I know the Australian Broadcasting Company has a lot of their archival video under Creative Commons, so that…
Australian Broadcasting Corporation archives:
Re: Ask HN: Finding the Australian Aboriginal flag in all artworks
#59Harold Thomas is an artist who created something and is still fully alive. He has every dam right to do as he wishes with his own creation. He has always had copyright and everyone knows this. It's his creation, it came from him, it's used today exactly as he created, nothing derivative. If you don't want to respect this you can also shove your GPL or shove your copyright over books. You show respect what people crea…
Even if you accept that such a basic shape is copyrightable, it's laughable to have a national flag that is copyrighted and cannot be freely used. When the government declared it a national flag, they should have given him a few million dollars and bought the rights off him. They still can do this easily since they have eminent domain and it applies to IP as well.
Re: Ask HN: Finding the Australian Aboriginal flag in all artworks
#60Harold Thomas is an artist who created something and is still fully alive. He has every dam right to do as he wishes with his own creation. He has always had copyright and everyone knows this. It's his creation, it came from him, it's used today exactly as he created, nothing derivative. If you don't want to respect this you can also shove your GPL or shove your copyright over books. You show respect what people crea…
Even if you accept that such a basic shape is copyrightable, it's laughable to have a national flag that is copyrighted and cannot be freely used. When the government declared it a national flag, they should have given him a few million dollars and bought the rights off him. They still can do this easily since they have eminent domain and it applies to IP as well.
Yeah, this is my position.
I want the guy to profit as much as possible, but the flag is pretty much world renowned for Australian Aboriginals at this point.
Having one individual choose how it is used on their own personal whims is a bit much.