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Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by Scoundreller » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 3:38 PM UTC

acituan wrote: post #78

Scoundreller wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> can get And I “can get” yellow fever if someone with it comes back to my neighbourhood, a mosquito bites them and then bites me. But it’s largely a waste of money for me to get vaccinated anyway. Considering risk vs. cost of prevention seems to be lost when dealing with vets (whom also often lack strong evidence for their interventions). If anything, it’s the humans in the household that could benefit from preventa…

> If anything, it’s the humans in the household that could benefit from preventative de-worming If you have a habit of nibbling on the bugs and the flies that wander into your house like cats do, I think indeed you could benefit from deworming. Besides, if yellow fever is carried as frequently as worms in your neighborhood, you should definitely get vaccinated. Finally, your cost-benefit analysis is a strawman argume…

To even take an educated risk, there would need to be a model of that risk. Fleas are an age-old problem. I simply reject that the risk is high enough if the best evidence for infection risk from vets is “it could happen” when the risk factors are so low.

I’ll consider anecdotes and case reports on a new unknown disease, but not for one that’s been around since antiquity. Or there was research indicating that the risk is low in these circumstances, but it’s suppressed because it’s not the narrative that the study sponsors want anyone to hear.

It happens in human research, I wouldn’t put it past vet research.

Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by acituan » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 4:47 PM UTC

Scoundreller wrote: post #81

acituan wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If anything, it’s the humans in the household that could benefit from preventative de-worming If you have a habit of nibbling on the bugs and the flies that wander into your house like cats do, I think indeed you could benefit from deworming. Besides, if yellow fever is carried as frequently as worms in your neighborhood, you should definitely get vaccinated. Finally, your cost-benefit analysis is a strawman argume…

To even take an educated risk, there would need to be a model of that risk. Fleas are an age-old problem. I simply reject that the risk is high enough if the best evidence for infection risk from vets is “it could happen” when the risk factors are so low. I’ll consider anecdotes and case reports on a new unknown disease, but not for one that’s been around since antiquity. Or there was research indicating that the ris…

> To even take an educated risk, there would need to be a model of that risk.

I consider the move from "my cat is completely isolated indoors" to "there are still vectors of transmission" an improvement of that model. Demanding that we need the exact likelihoods or otherwise completely reject the possibility is fallacious.

> Or there was research indicating that the risk is low in these circumstances, but it’s suppressed because it’s not the narrative that the study sponsors want anyone to hear.

It is interesting that your standard of evidence is much lower for this hypothesis of conspiracy and you use it to negate your cat's threat model.

I agree the risk is low, but your initial responses "what virus would live in cats and bugs" "the cat is under total isolation" "cat is too slow to catch a mouse" etc show that you were not informed on this topic. To give an anecdote, an odd fly, spider, mosquito etc walks in to my friend's house all the time, despite all windows being screened, and their fully indoor cat would go after them with joy every time he finds them (he would try to eat them). They don't do periodic deworming either, but they still accept that there is a risk albeit small, and don't externalize their discomfort to conspiratorial veterinarians.

Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by ttul » Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

umvi wrote: post #49

ttul wrote: post #4

I can foresee that one of the consequences of the pandemic will be a permanent change in the way that society views transmissible diseases. Prior to March, it was okay to gather in large groups and just get sick a few times a year. After the pandemic, I’m not sure people will be okay with that anymore.

How is my own immune system going to improve if I never expose myself to other people?

Your immune system is being exposed to pathogens all day long just from your immediate environment. You don't have to be exposed to thousands of people to develop a healthy immune system.