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Linux PinePhone has physical kill switches for its cameras, mic, data, BT, Wi-Fi

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Re: Linux PinePhone has physical kill switches for its cameras, mic, data, BT, Wi-Fi

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Off-topic but IMHO what is really needed these days is a privacy feature allowing all the UIDs to be changed freely by the user (without the need for rooting and firmware thinkering). Including randomized IMEIs and randomized Android ID (In addition to the already offered randomized MAC and Ad tracking ID changes). Especially IMEIs which are commonly used by many applications and law enforcement to track users (see B…

I don't have the reference, but I am pretty sure that in order to meet requirements for type-approval (e.g. FCC approval in the US) phones have to show they are resistant to IMEI modification.

Re: Linux PinePhone has physical kill switches for its cameras, mic, data, BT, Wi-Fi

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If you're this worried about leakage from signals, cameras, etc. what about the tradeoff of security where now you need to patch and monitor for any attacks on your device, now that you're off of any normal OEM's support? What's the risk of that being done poorly by you, versus having better control over these physical switches?

> any normal OEM's support?

What "normal OEM support" (like which company, for example?) has been good at regularly releasing security patches and keeping on top of various vulnerabilities? Especially past the 1-2 years after the release date of the device? Especially if you consider those companies that without any real consent from you install dozens of their own adware and spyware on each update that you can't even remove (like you can't remove system apps in android, only "disable" them, to make the phone nag you all the time to re-enable them).

Not having to rely on the joke of the "OEM support" from the big companies is the very reason to use these open phones.

Re: Linux PinePhone has physical kill switches for its cameras, mic, data, BT, Wi-Fi

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Is anyone usimg a linux phone? Love to hear use cases. I know about the PinePhone and the Librem, don’t know if there are others.

I've been using my Freerunner for over 10 years. I've tried it with a bunch of distros (including the first version of Android when that came out, which was nice but sluggish); I've generally stuck with QtMoko (although that was last updated in 2014).

The battery struggles to hold much charge any more, so I've been waiting for a replacement which isn't a "freedom downgrade". These newer offerings are exciting, but seem a little too beta for me to switch quite yet.

Re: Linux PinePhone has physical kill switches for its cameras, mic, data, BT, Wi-Fi

#24

Off-topic but IMHO what is really needed these days is a privacy feature allowing all the UIDs to be changed freely by the user (without the need for rooting and firmware thinkering). Including randomized IMEIs and randomized Android ID (In addition to the already offered randomized MAC and Ad tracking ID changes). Especially IMEIs which are commonly used by many applications and law enforcement to track users (see B…

Not yet illegal, agreed.

The old fashioned way was using QPST/QXDM to modify the ESN/IMEI of phones but that was questionable enough. This also includes bluetooth mac address too and other UID's in the baseband. :)

Re: Linux PinePhone has physical kill switches for its cameras, mic, data, BT, Wi-Fi

#25

Off-topic but IMHO what is really needed these days is a privacy feature allowing all the UIDs to be changed freely by the user (without the need for rooting and firmware thinkering). Including randomized IMEIs and randomized Android ID (In addition to the already offered randomized MAC and Ad tracking ID changes). Especially IMEIs which are commonly used by many applications and law enforcement to track users (see B…

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Re: Linux PinePhone has physical kill switches for its cameras, mic, data, BT, Wi-Fi

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Why do you need it? You can simply remove the battery (without any tools).

Looks like sarcasm. (Your sarcasm kill switch might be toggled on.)

Sorry, forgot to add /s. Population density rears its ugly head again.

Re: Linux PinePhone has physical kill switches for its cameras, mic, data, BT, Wi-Fi

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Is anyone usimg a linux phone? Love to hear use cases. I know about the PinePhone and the Librem, don’t know if there are others.

I'm using a pinephone, and contrary to most people, it's actually my "daily driver".

This was made possible mainly because I have prepared for about a year for GNU/linux phones (thinking of the librem5 at the time) by replacing all my commonly used apps with similar webapps.

All in all, I don't have an advanced usage of my phone, so it may be what makes it possible to use the pinephone. I don't commute (no need for maps, games, durable battery), I don't often take pictures, my only real need for my phone is the hotspot (because it's my only internet connection) and calls/messaging.

The pinephone is extremely cheap hardware and it can be felt. Opening firefox takes a good 10 seconds, and browsing with it is a pain. Gladly, GNU/linux is very good at running on poor hardware. I just replaced the browser with elinks, which I run through tor, just like on my laptop, and it does the job. Lollypop works well to listen to music while I'm out. Calls and text messages are good enough.

The real cool thing, though, is how hackable it is. After a few months with the phone, I've played a lot around the idea : how to make apps that doesn't use much power? Because, the battery is very bad. And a few months after, my answer has been to build C applications that runs as CGI apps with html static interface rendered by nginx (the idea being to only run the program when I need it rather than constantly as a daemon). This is absurd, this is fun, I love it.

So, as far as I'm concerned, GNU/linux phones are validated. Now I'll want something with better hardware, so I'll wait for the librem5 to see if it delivers, then switch to it if it does.

EDIT: oh, I forgot to mention a step, it must not be clear that way : I made webapps on the phone rather than GTK apps, because that way I can use the apps from my laptop, using the IP address of the phone on the local network.

Re: Linux PinePhone has physical kill switches for its cameras, mic, data, BT, Wi-Fi

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From https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_FAQ#What_are_the... 1 Modem | Pulls Q1501 gate up (FET killing modem power) | "On" enables 2G/3G/4G communication and GNSS hardware, "off" disables it. 2 WiFi / Bluetooth | Pulls up CHIP_EN | "On" enables WiFi and Bluetooth communication hardware, "off" disables it. 3 Microphone | Breaks microphone bias voltage from the SoC | "On" enables audio input from on-board micr…

With the microphone bias floating, what prevents some digital signal processing form recovering faint and fuzzy audio? I'm sure the microphone loses at least several dB of gain with the bias floating, but isn't it much safer to either disconnect the bias and tie it to ground, or else pull up/down the the digital output of the ADC? I understand that with the bias floating, the microphone output will be a combination o…

Depends on actual hardware implementation, but those microphones are REALLY good at picking up audio. I once fiddled with some microphone and wondered why it works so poorly (lots of "digital" noise, faint audio), maybe cable broke or smth. Turned ot, it was "disabled" with hardware switch on cable, yet still picked up enough sound to "somewhat work".

Re: Linux PinePhone has physical kill switches for its cameras, mic, data, BT, Wi-Fi

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Is anyone usimg a linux phone? Love to hear use cases. I know about the PinePhone and the Librem, don’t know if there are others.

The answers won't be complete without mentioning the Maemo/Meego series of phones, including the Nokia N900 and N9.

The N900 keeps its appeal today because it's fully programmable (even if toolchains are woefully outdated), and the community is still (after 10 years!) vibrant. It's also small, offers a hardware keyboard, has decent battery life, and has the usual gimmicks expected from a smart phone: camera, GPS, GUI package manager, etc.

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