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Re: Web by Google (TM)

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AMP still makes no sense. On iOS, Android and Windows it’s completely broken and friction increasing to grab a link to send to a friend in another medium. Not only that but it seems the page slightly degrades sometimes. For what? A theoretical page load time improvement? Maybe that’s naive but we already have “request desktop mode” to allow for bifurcated experiences. Why do we need a third thats seemingly even worse…

> For what? A theoretical page load time improvement?

For better ranking in the dominant search engine, so you make more money from your participation in the dominant advertising network.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#462

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There's no point in buying a Teleco today, with 5G any of the FAANGs can create one with the money they have. Infact Google, Amazon, Microsoft and Facebook have proven experience in web scale, so 5G will be right up their alley

That's true in principle, they could buy directly at Telecom manufacturers, rent antenna space and use subcontractors to install base stations, but there are counter examples showing they are not so good at this business. For example Google has tried to provide free Wi-Fi, at the time some people were afraid it would be some rehearsal for a Wimax deployment, it never happened. 8 years ago, Google made a lot of noise…

Phones call with interesting fees? Do you mean Google Fi which I know many users of?

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#463

AMP still makes no sense. On iOS, Android and Windows it’s completely broken and friction increasing to grab a link to send to a friend in another medium. Not only that but it seems the page slightly degrades sometimes. For what? A theoretical page load time improvement? Maybe that’s naive but we already have “request desktop mode” to allow for bifurcated experiences. Why do we need a third thats seemingly even worse…

Kiwi browser removes amp from google results.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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post #255

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> It makes me wonder if it might be useful, as a public service, to have some kind of free business listing that (with your permission) automatically duplicates what you put on Facebook, just to encourage people to at least be discoverable outside that walled garden. You know that Facebook would immediately start either offering incentives to keep all your data in the walled garden, or spreading FUD about the duplica…

They can also remove that integration any moment they like, by revoking an app ID. Very likely they'll be able to find a paragraph in their developer program T&C they can claim was violated by GP.

Of course the public application could just scrape Facebook, as the Supreme Court has ruled that webscraping is not illegal (well, at least in the United States). [0]

[0] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kek83/linkedin-data-scra...

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#465
post #84

The problem is that, IMO, centralization of the internet is simply the natural course. Especially when people seem to care so little. Centralization is cheaper, easier to monetize, easier to control, easier to update and upgrade. That's why people prefer Discord to IRC, that's why people prefer Slack to SMTP or Jabber, that's why for many people these days the distinction between git and GitHub is blurry. I suspect t…

This reminds me of many of the issues with laissez-faire capitalism: perfectly competitive markets tend to consolidate, as less efficient participants drop out of the market. Also, network effects. It seems like perhaps economists should engage in more proselytizing in order to reconvince the average person why monopolies are bad.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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> Are there statistics on the browser usage on HN? Just for a good laugh. Here is a screenshot of my Cloudfront dashboard showing the breakdown of user agents into particular browsers when an article of mine reached the top of HN about two months ago: https://imgur.com/a/gQ2mxOM Looking at the number of distinct IP addresses in Athena for that day, about 20,200 of those hits were distinct viewers: https://imgur.com/a…

Those are the highest figures I've seen for Firefox Android anywhere. I'm shocked, but proud.

it's the easiest way to get adblock on mobile!

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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post #276

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Nice to see that there are efforts but until they can roll it out as a core feature with prompts/nudges it's not going to cut it and I'm not entirely sure they have the market/mind share to pull it off these days. Pateron came out in 2013 and has strong community/network effects now, YouTube Red/Spotify also address much the same problem. The current state of affairs is like their idiotic mobile 6 full years after th…

If they rolled out a payment option for third-party sites as a core feature with prompts and nudges, do you really think the reception would be positive? I expect the comment threads would be full of people telling Firefox to work on being the best browser they can, and not getting in people's way with a payment system that "nobody asked for".

I think that would depend a lot on how it's done. If it were simply a mediator/platform that could be opted-into by the serving site kind of like a pateron ad/button I think that could go a long way. The value-add of pateron being in intermediating the transaction and collecting/collating my top interests in a privacy conscious way.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#468

AMP still makes no sense. On iOS, Android and Windows it’s completely broken and friction increasing to grab a link to send to a friend in another medium. Not only that but it seems the page slightly degrades sometimes. For what? A theoretical page load time improvement? Maybe that’s naive but we already have “request desktop mode” to allow for bifurcated experiences. Why do we need a third thats seemingly even worse…

> and Windows

"Accelerated Mobile Pages" should not be showing up on desktop at all. If they do, that's poor coding by the website itself. Just like how you often get stuck on website's mobile version when browsing on desktop.

> it’s completely broken

That's a pretty big statement, could you specify in which way it is "completely broken"?

> friction increasing to grab a link

This has been mostly fixed, I haven't had an issue in the past year. On Chrome and Firefox I believe, it works natively, and in other browsers I believe it adds an extra bar at the top to grab the link.

> Not only that but it seems the page slightly degrades sometimes.

Quite the opposite, in my experience it's often a far simpler and focused page with less crap. The only slight disadvantage is that comment sections on articles are often disabled, but they are usually a click away. It makes sense anyways to not load those by default on mobile.

> A theoretical page load time improvement?

It's definitely not theoretical. It's also a way to bundle websites allowing easier edge caching which helps tremendously.

> we already have “request desktop mode”

Partly because the majority of websites never gave a shit about optimizing their mobile experience without an incentive.

> seemingly even worse?

I truly believe this is a case of "assigning downsides you notice to AMP, but upsides being mostly invisible". You wouldn't have anyone to assign it to when you see a mobile page on desktop, but if it's an AMP page, then you have someone to get angry at.

Another example would be how a spam protection could be blocking 99% of the spam, but if a couple bad content get through, you'll think the spam protection is doing absolutely nothing and it sucks, because you don't get to see the 99% of work it's actually doing.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#469
post #304

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I'm by no means Google's biggest fan but this definitely misrepresents things it offers such as gsuite

Most orgs switch to MS once they get over a few hundred users. G suite has 6 million paying customers, Microsoft office has over a billion users.

I'd say that still provides value to those that aren't over a few hundred users.

(edit/sidenote: along with SSO - my org has thousands of users.)

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#470

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> Are there statistics on the browser usage on HN? Just for a good laugh. Here is a screenshot of my Cloudfront dashboard showing the breakdown of user agents into particular browsers when an article of mine reached the top of HN about two months ago: https://imgur.com/a/gQ2mxOM Looking at the number of distinct IP addresses in Athena for that day, about 20,200 of those hits were distinct viewers: https://imgur.com/a…

Those are the highest figures I've seen for Firefox Android anywhere. I'm shocked, but proud.

My FF mobile addons: uBlock Origin, I don't care about cookies, ViolentMonkey (it can sync scripts), ClearURLs (with etag and generic filtering disabled!) and Cookiebro.

I really like addons and that's why I don't use chrome on mobile.

Surprisingly I also started using Firefox Focus. At first it looked like nonsense to me, no addons. But then I found out it sometimes makes sense to start from scratch, focus on some topic and delete all tabs with one tap when done. And if I find what I searched for or want to read it later, I share the page to Saved messages on my Telegram. This workflow works surprisingly well for me.

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