Love it! Can't wait to use it. I wonder what the impact is going to be now that Ubuntu is doing it's own UI thing. That's the vast majority of Linux users; so who becomes the premiere Gnome 3 distribution? I was hoping to get a System76 as my next desktop but now I'm not sure; depends if Gnome3 is included in Ubuntu's repos going forward.
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
UIs like this are not for power users. They use xmonad or awesome or dwm or ratpoison or ... This is for someone who turns on their computer, does some work, and then stops using their computer. They do not want to bother themselves with a lot of learning. Simple actions that can be easily learned and improve speed (like keyboard shortcuts) are in reach. But more "confusing" concepts like virtual desktops without vis…
>This is for someone who turns on their computer, does some work, and then stops using their computer. They do not want to bother themselves with a lot of learning. >Once you reach a certain level of interest in optimizing everything, you have to use tools to build your own desktop environment, because you are a unique flower Or the power user can switch to OS X, which requires less 'optimizing' to get it into a comf…
As someone who has used both systems at length and who has commented on the subject before, I'll simply tell you that your opinion is obviously very subjective. I find the out-of-box Ubuntu experience to be far surperior to the OS X one, and to get OS X to even approach the level of efficiency I get from Ubuntu/Gnome/Compiz I end up investing well over $100 in utilities. Not that I mind supporting the developers, but it is what it is. I don't want to get into a features pissing match, but I can point specifics when I have more time to write. OS X is fine if it fits your view of the world or if you're willing to adapt your world view to fit it, but Ubuntu gives you a very solid experience out of the gate which you can mold to your heart's desire.
Re: GNOME 3 Released
#53Gnome really needs help with their typography (and design in general). Gradients, docks and shiny icons do not make a well designed product. It's clear to see it suffers from the curse of open source software – design by committee, and the featuritis that results from that. There's often "flashy" chrome in OSS, but no solid interactions behind to back it up. It's equally important what you choose to leave out from yo…
It's equally important what you choose to leave out from your product, as what you include. It seems Gnome has included the kitchen sink.
What does this mean? Gnome 3.0 is rather incomplete. You can't even change themes or fonts yet.
Re: GNOME 3 Released
#54Ryan Paul's review on Ars might be more useful:
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2011/04/ars-revie...
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#55Love it! Can't wait to use it. I wonder what the impact is going to be now that Ubuntu is doing it's own UI thing. That's the vast majority of Linux users; so who becomes the premiere Gnome 3 distribution? I was hoping to get a System76 as my next desktop but now I'm not sure; depends if Gnome3 is included in Ubuntu's repos going forward.
Fedora 15 is most likely to be the Gnome 3 showcase. Its release on May 24 is nicely timed to allow them enough time to integrate Gnome Shell. As a desktop distro it's second in popularity only to Ubuntu, which makes it the most popular distro to choose Gnome Shell as its default UI.
But all this shouldn't affect your hardware purchases. A System76 machine should run Fedora just as well as it does Ubuntu.
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#56Gnome really needs help with their typography (and design in general). Gradients, docks and shiny icons do not make a well designed product. It's clear to see it suffers from the curse of open source software – design by committee, and the featuritis that results from that. There's often "flashy" chrome in OSS, but no solid interactions behind to back it up. It's equally important what you choose to leave out from yo…
Believe me - in the open source world Gnome is the one that leans towards minimalism.
Minimalism in what sense?
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Believe me - in the open source world Gnome is the one that leans towards minimalism.
Minimalism in what sense?
UI fading into the background. Working things around so that there are fewer User preferences. Default desktop themes which are sober and not overly jazzy.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
>This is for someone who turns on their computer, does some work, and then stops using their computer. They do not want to bother themselves with a lot of learning. >Once you reach a certain level of interest in optimizing everything, you have to use tools to build your own desktop environment, because you are a unique flower Or the power user can switch to OS X, which requires less 'optimizing' to get it into a comf…
As someone who has used both systems at length and who has commented on the subject before, I'll simply tell you that your opinion is obviously very subjective. I find the out-of-box Ubuntu experience to be far surperior to the OS X one, and to get OS X to even approach the level of efficiency I get from Ubuntu/Gnome/Compiz I end up investing well over $100 in utilities. Not that I mind supporting the developers, but…
I think you've got some fair points here; but let's not forget that (at least as of a while back, I can't speak for newer releases) Ubuntu would not have support for even basic mp3 playback without downloading support for it. I understand the "free software" reasons for such restrictions--but I think it's difficult to justify the statement of Ubuntu having an "far superior out-of-box experience" when difficulties such as this are considered.
...and let's not even get into video drivers. :P
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who has used both systems at length and who has commented on the subject before, I'll simply tell you that your opinion is obviously very subjective. I find the out-of-box Ubuntu experience to be far surperior to the OS X one, and to get OS X to even approach the level of efficiency I get from Ubuntu/Gnome/Compiz I end up investing well over $100 in utilities. Not that I mind supporting the developers, but…
I think you've got some fair points here; but let's not forget that (at least as of a while back, I can't speak for newer releases) Ubuntu would not have support for even basic mp3 playback without downloading support for it. I understand the "free software" reasons for such restrictions--but I think it's difficult to justify the statement of Ubuntu having an "far superior out-of-box experience" when difficulties suc…
no problem at all for a few releases now ;)
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
>This is for someone who turns on their computer, does some work, and then stops using their computer. They do not want to bother themselves with a lot of learning. >Once you reach a certain level of interest in optimizing everything, you have to use tools to build your own desktop environment, because you are a unique flower Or the power user can switch to OS X, which requires less 'optimizing' to get it into a comf…
As someone who has used both systems at length and who has commented on the subject before, I'll simply tell you that your opinion is obviously very subjective. I find the out-of-box Ubuntu experience to be far surperior to the OS X one, and to get OS X to even approach the level of efficiency I get from Ubuntu/Gnome/Compiz I end up investing well over $100 in utilities. Not that I mind supporting the developers, but…
This.
My last setup of Ubuntu took like two hours (a few ubuntu releases back) and has been a great experience in terms of efficiency/usability. The really nice point about linux is to ask yourself what could you do to work more efficiently and usually there will be several tools available. I often ask myself that question and i don't know what could be better :)