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Re: Web by Google (TM)

#201
With our implicit mass approval, the 'Constitution' of the modern Web is being authored by a few giant tech companies.

This 'Constitution' will give us the Web of a few giant tech companies, for those few giant tech companies, by those few giant tech companies.

Many here on HN, including me, wish we could have a Web of the people, for the people, by the people.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#202

A lot of talk in this article about Google capturing the whole web, all valid points, but I find the Facebook walled garden even more terrifying. I see people now, often in online school parent groups I'm a part of, etc. who cannot even use email anymore, who don't use web pages at all, they get all their information through Facebook groups and Facebook, and only talk through Facebook messenger or sometimes SMS. E-ma…

Something we (people who work in tech) should be acutely aware of is causing unnecessary distractions from important issues. When there's a discussion about the Google very often the first few comments are about how some other tech company also does something unsavory. This is a thread about how Google's engineers are actively working to take over the web as we know it and become the gatekeepers to all the benefit (n…

I respectfully disagree. The entire point of having a comments section on HN is so that the breadth of conversation can be expanded to encompass more than what just the article linked alone can provide.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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post #84

The problem is that, IMO, centralization of the internet is simply the natural course. Especially when people seem to care so little. Centralization is cheaper, easier to monetize, easier to control, easier to update and upgrade. That's why people prefer Discord to IRC, that's why people prefer Slack to SMTP or Jabber, that's why for many people these days the distinction between git and GitHub is blurry. I suspect t…

Centralization is clearly bad in the private sector. I'm curious why people here don't see centralization of government as similarly bad. With 3.5T in revenue, the US federal government is the single largest entity in existence, and it's scope is vast, covering things as disparate as mail and health care. There are plenty of examples of them abusing their position (and occasionally their people...), yet this forum ra…

I'm supposed to be represented by my government, which we collectively give power to through the constitution. There's no constitution for Google. We don't talk about centralization of government because we figured it out ~250 years ago. We are just figuring out how to curtail the power of internet giants today. There is no inconsistency.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#204

As a non-programmar, what are some web standards dictated by google that make it worse for me, the uninformed user? Im sure they exist, but I don’t know them.

Google Amp. Whenever you see the amp symbol, avoid visiting that site.

As an end-user, AMP sites load faster and with less clutter. The only downside is a clunky URL, but I rarely care about that. AMP improved my mobile search experience.

The main AMP concerns seem philosophical, which I don't think OP was asking about.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#205
post #84

The problem is that, IMO, centralization of the internet is simply the natural course. Especially when people seem to care so little. Centralization is cheaper, easier to monetize, easier to control, easier to update and upgrade. That's why people prefer Discord to IRC, that's why people prefer Slack to SMTP or Jabber, that's why for many people these days the distinction between git and GitHub is blurry. I suspect t…

> Are there statistics on the browser usage on HN? Just for a good laugh.

Here is a screenshot of my Cloudfront dashboard showing the breakdown of user agents into particular browsers when an article of mine reached the top of HN about two months ago:

https://imgur.com/a/gQ2mxOM

Looking at the number of distinct IP addresses in Athena for that day, about 20,200 of those hits were distinct viewers:

https://imgur.com/a/aEtU7AB

This is not definitive, but it's something I guess. Here are a few observations based on that data:

1. On the desktop, it looks like Chrome and Firefox are at about parity for HN users. I kind of doubt this actually, and think it's more likely that Chrome still beats Firefox by a sizable margin. But even if this is off, it looks like HN users actually do use Firefox significantly more than the general population, which means the evangelization here isn't just a vocal minority among HN users.

2. On desktop Safari is a distant third. It would appear more people browse HN in any mobile category than browse HN on desktop using Safari.

3. On mobile, mobile Safari dominates. Then mobile Chrome has about half as many users as mobile Safari, and mobile Firefox again half as many as mobile Chrome.

EDIT: I pulled an Athena report of the referrer breakdown as well, if anyone's curious:

https://imgur.com/a/1dworVj

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#206
I myself only build websites with Google Authentication I don't see any other competitor in this space everyone has a Google account and I don't have to deal with Infosec. Who doesn't have a Google account? Yes Google rules the web and there's not much we can do but live with it, I also like the fact that Google gives us a bunch of things for free and many people don't take this into account. Think about all the free things Google is giving you at this moment? Do you use Gmail? Do you search in Google? Do you want a paid alternative to Gmail or to searching? Come on let us not be children.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#207
post #201

With our implicit mass approval, the 'Constitution' of the modern Web is being authored by a few giant tech companies. This 'Constitution' will give us the Web of a few giant tech companies, for those few giant tech companies, by those few giant tech companies. Many here on HN, including me, wish we could have a Web of the people, for the people, by the people.

The individual (and so also teams of individuals) have never had more powerful technology available to build websites and web apps, and access to be able to put amazing things online than right now. We _should_ be able to do all kinds of things previously unimaginable. When people start caring about competition and a healthier ecosystem more, I don't think it will take long for good competition to arise, the issue right now is that some people don't care because they don't understand why they should care (these people can be educated) and some people just don't care (not sure what we can do about these people except give them time).

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO one if the biggest blunders of Moz was not having had the vision to champion the open web by becoming an alternative monitization platform like Patreon. The biggest reason why the open web failed and will continue to fail is not because of aggregators like Google, Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter but rather because there's simply no way for people to vote with their wallets. Moz was uniquely positioned to drive such…

https://webmonetization.org/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/introducing-our-exper... https://hacks.mozilla.org/2020/03/web-monetization-coil-and-...

Interesting, seems to be Mozilla's version of Flattr ?

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#210
302 Redirect: Just an observation that whenever there is something critical of Google here, the leading comments always are talking about something besides Google. There is sort of a redirection at work.
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