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Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by kristopolous »

skinnymuch wrote: post #157
kristopolous wrote: post #126

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I don't know if you remember the mobile news web around 2015 or so. Content would furiously jump around as the page was overcome by advalanches, videos on autoplay would pop up in all the corners, as you scrolled, the page would often break at paragraphs as even more videos would load, secretly sliding in the content like some infestation. If you tried to highlight text to copy, you'd see interstitial popups of yet a…

Why mobile news web of 2015? I don’t use amp. Is what you’re saying an issue now too or?

I remember it as totally unmanageable from around 2014-2016 ... Often it'd just crash the browser after about 30 seconds. It was a running gag at the office.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by [deleted] »

crispyporkbites wrote: post #95
simias wrote: post #84

The problem is that, IMO, centralization of the internet is simply the natural course. Especially when people seem to care so little. Centralization is cheaper, easier to monetize, easier to control, easier to update and upgrade. That's why people prefer Discord to IRC, that's why people prefer Slack to SMTP or Jabber, that's why for many people these days the distinction between git and GitHub is blurry. I suspect t…

Meh, I think the longest lasting protocols are the decentralised ones, the good ones just can’t fail by design. SMTP is still going very strong, BitTorrent isn’t going away, bitcoin won’t die anytime soon slack/discord will probably disappear and be replaced by another closed system until we find the right way to do real time chat in a decentralised way.

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Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #159
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #151

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what employment do these people have, given the theory of an increasingly technical workforce?

A vast chunk of the population works in the service sector. Often not really engaging with technology beyond the fixed payment terminals or whatever they need for their jobs. But mostly now people just use their phones for interacting with the Internet. And 10 years on it is still the case that the open web from a phone kinda sucks. Facebook works great on a phone, as a mostly consumption-only, attention-sucking, twi…

good point, I find that as I age I fall prey to the same faults as most of humanity, not fully considering how things must be for those I am unfamiliar with, or no longer familiar with. So I had the problem of conceiving of a person in western culture that was not very old and still of such limited technical proficiency.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by crispyporkbites »

harpratap wrote: post #164
crispyporkbites wrote: post #81

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I don’t think breaking them up is the only option- we need to continue to create innovative companies that defeat the incumbents. Its hard to see right now but history tells us it will come and they will fall, every incumbent always gets complacent and stops innovating and someone comes and cleans up. For example YT hasn’t fundamentally changed in a decade, and the user experience is starting to feel a little off (sp…

If the last electrical/electronics boom is any indicator, it will take a century for these giants to die. Sony is ~75 years old and still going strong. Hitachi, Panasonic, Samsung are all more than 100 years old.

They are diversified across a bazillion revenue streams though. And they operate more like 20-30 separate companies under one big brand name. Panasonic can fail at entire industry and succeed elsewhere to survive- if Google search goes away Google would die

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Post by jhoechtl »

alangibson wrote: post #134
kristopolous wrote: post #107

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Couldn't you have said the same thing 20 years ago and used "AOL" instead? There seems to be a large group of users who consistently fit this trend and the company names just get swapped occasionally

AOL died off because the world shifted to the open web. The only way Facebook or Google die off is if a similar paradigm shift occurs.

It's about time for true change and the open interweb as Tim Berners Lee et al. conceived it. I currently only see ipfs as a viable alternative, but with another markdown format so we need no chrome browser.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by izacus »

lol768 wrote: post #10

> And let’s not forget that most people now access the web via mobile devices, 75% of which run Google’s Android. Which is a good thing, because these devices can actually run different browser rendering engines. Perhaps the bigger problem is that devices ship with Chrome pre-installed instead of asking the user at device set-up time what browser they want to use. I imagine if you told the user they could have a brow…

Majority of Android devices in western world actually ship with Samsung Browser as default browser, not Chrome. The rest of the market ships with Safari as unchangeable default and rather small part of mobile market is the one with Chrome

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by mehdix »

IMHO if Firefox could support publishers and creators with a kind of micro-payment, that would solve a fundamental problem that is basically killing the open web.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by alangibson »

thdrdt wrote: post #120
mattacular wrote: post #11

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Don't forget that Amazon dominates a lot more than just retail on the internet. With AWS they effectively run large portions of it as well.

Don't underestimate how Google is becomming the storefront of all retail on internet. Google can now dictate which webshop is shown first in search results on a product level. I know retailers are sick of this. They need Google to be found on the web but they don't like how Google is destroying retail.

There's a huge opportunity for Shopify to launch a slick shopping service that puts a (much nicer looking) Amazon-style interface in front of all the various shops. Combine that with Etsy's marketplace and you'd really have a contender.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by jhoechtl »

mnd999 wrote: post #8

I think we’re in a real low point right now. Gmail, AMP, Chrome, Android. So many peoples internet experience is from one place. With Amazon dominating retail, and Facebook under its various brands dominating social media, there isn’t much scope for other players. I don’t see another option than breaking theses companies up at this point.

Isn't Google much bigger than Bell ever was before it got broken up into North and South? I think Yandex and Alibaba are the international safeguards of Google preventing the split.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by perryizgr8 »

I love Google. Because the alternative is Apple which is literally an abusive relationship. Apple has the final say on what you run on your device. Apple blocks devs from developing for their devices unless you pay them thousands of dollars for inferior hardware. In comparison, Google is like an open utopia.
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