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Do cars and houses count in that measure?

Honestly not sure. Walmart is still 2x the size of Amazon in terms of revenue, and like Bezos said in his congressional briefing, it's easier and cheaper to build and online platform than it is to build out Walmart's existing physical retail presence.

Really, then why are there plausible competitors for Wal-Mart (Target, Costco, etc) but no other Amazons for general purpose online shopping?

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post #8

I think we’re in a real low point right now. Gmail, AMP, Chrome, Android. So many peoples internet experience is from one place. With Amazon dominating retail, and Facebook under its various brands dominating social media, there isn’t much scope for other players. I don’t see another option than breaking theses companies up at this point.

TikTok gonna change the world.

I'm skeptical of this under Microsoft's control and stewardship.

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#143
The point on video is missing the real problem: relying on ads as the default funding model. It’s never been easier to serve high-quality video but many places use YouTube or Facebook instead because they don’t want to get an unexpected bill for bandwidth and search remains a problem in some applications.

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Meh, I think the longest lasting protocols are the decentralised ones, the good ones just can’t fail by design. SMTP is still going very strong, BitTorrent isn’t going away, bitcoin won’t die anytime soon slack/discord will probably disappear and be replaced by another closed system until we find the right way to do real time chat in a decentralised way.

As for SMTP, most people use Gmail nowadays anyway. Google might be able to kill SMTP if they wanted to.

They'd have to cooperate with Microsoft, which hosts email for a large number of companies.

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>I think it’s safe to say that Google’s AdWords is the dominant advertising platform on the open Web, which means it holds a commanding position in the Web’s finances.

That's a very interesting observation. Google will thus prevent a native payment option at all costs, which leaves a huge opening for Brave or another payment provider. (Which is enhanced by content providers being threatened by AMP.)

I don't see Google in a very secure position. Their employees nowadays don't seem to care which will become a huge problem once Google has to actually react to a changing market. Amazon is getting product searches and Facebook can take over everything else whenever they want because Google's results don't come from analysing the web but from showing the pages that other people with the same queries are visiting.

Additionally, Huawei is forced to setup their own app store. If they have the better TikTok app, and online payment with wechat, the next generation of users will switch. China has so much more developers that a Chinese app store will become the more interesting place for new apps. With Zoom and TikTok, they have shown that they can create competitive apps.

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#146
Wasn't it that the creators of Netscape wanted to put some kind of payment protocol similar to crypto in the original browser but ran into trouble with the government, can't remember anymore. 402 error was famously reserved for money trouble.

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AMP is the most transparent land grab Google has pulled. It's technically unjustifiable, is arguably value destroying, and as a bonus you can't disable it. It only makes sense in terms of trying to lock marketers and publishers into a Google-led ecosystem.

The concept of AMP makes a lot of sense. It does speed up browsing and prevents sites from being terrible. The prloblem is that the implementation isn't great and it's Google driven. But the concept is sound.

My understanding is that amp forces pages to stop doing the things they’ve been doing for years that made their pages bloated and slow to load.

It’s too bad the sites just couldn’t do that on their own and avoid the need for amp.

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#148

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Couldn't you have said the same thing 20 years ago and used "AOL" instead? There seems to be a large group of users who consistently fit this trend and the company names just get swapped occasionally

What's the difference between hn and a facebook group?

HN is one website with a very small audience of people who understand how it fits into the broader internet. A FB group is what a much, much larger set of less experienced users have been taught is "how you communicate with your tribe". That's not only very different but chillingly scary, IMO

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If by 'the concept' you mean 'be faster', then yea. But that's not much of an endorsement of AMP.

I don't know if you remember the mobile news web around 2015 or so. Content would furiously jump around as the page was overcome by advalanches, videos on autoplay would pop up in all the corners, as you scrolled, the page would often break at paragraphs as even more videos would load, secretly sliding in the content like some infestation. If you tried to highlight text to copy, you'd see interstitial popups of yet a…

Indeed. I'm not saying there were no issues driving AMP. But there are many possible solutions that did not require Google hijacking your urls.

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post #84

The problem is that, IMO, centralization of the internet is simply the natural course. Especially when people seem to care so little. Centralization is cheaper, easier to monetize, easier to control, easier to update and upgrade. That's why people prefer Discord to IRC, that's why people prefer Slack to SMTP or Jabber, that's why for many people these days the distinction between git and GitHub is blurry. I suspect t…

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