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Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by randomdata »

headmelted wrote: post #67
wwwwwwwww wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FAG are America's new Hollywood. Hollywood was an important leg to establish worldwide cultural hegemony for the US during the 20th century. With the internet taking over to shaping culture, the US had to adapt. And it did, and again controls most of the important channels that influence culture worldwide.

Poor choice of acronym. Please change it, there’s a reason no-one else has used it.

> there’s a reason no-one else has used it.

To not confuse with the bearing manufacturer of the same name?

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

A lot of talk in this article about Google capturing the whole web, all valid points, but I find the Facebook walled garden even more terrifying. I see people now, often in online school parent groups I'm a part of, etc. who cannot even use email anymore, who don't use web pages at all, they get all their information through Facebook groups and Facebook, and only talk through Facebook messenger or sometimes SMS. E-mail is seen as arcane and tricky, lots of these people do no searching, and rarely leave Facebook. If they can't find it through Facebook (or a Twitter feed sometimes) they act bewildered. This may sound like exaggeration, but there really are people like this. I think this is even more problematic.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by mark_l_watson »

andai wrote: post #26
eiWit7oo wrote: post #5

> Google’s capture of the Web is a fait accompli. Only legislation will keep the World Wide Web from finally becoming Web by Google (TM). I really hope it's not the case, because then Google will cancel it. /s Search is probably something where there could be creative use of the p2p decentralized technologies. If when performing a search I could ask my contacts to look in their history if they have something matching…

I've been thinking about this for a while. It's infeasible for any one person to run a Google-scale web crawler -- but if millions of people join in? I've used file sharing software which has the same "tree style" query forwarding. I think latency would be the big issue though, we're used to getting a result instantly -- and the right result too (Google does a lot of extra work knowing what you actually mean, not jus…

Common Crawl is a good resource if having crawl data potentially being from a month ago is OK for your application. Donate and use their crawl data.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by huffmsa »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #103

A lot of talk in this article about Google capturing the whole web, all valid points, but I find the Facebook walled garden even more terrifying. I see people now, often in online school parent groups I'm a part of, etc. who cannot even use email anymore, who don't use web pages at all, they get all their information through Facebook groups and Facebook, and only talk through Facebook messenger or sometimes SMS. E-ma…

I was very unaware that people use Facebook as their source for forums and groups until my wife started talking about the groups she's in and the wild stuff that goes on.

My facebook experience is similar to how it was in '08. Updates from friends, though those are getting less common.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by kristopolous »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #103

A lot of talk in this article about Google capturing the whole web, all valid points, but I find the Facebook walled garden even more terrifying. I see people now, often in online school parent groups I'm a part of, etc. who cannot even use email anymore, who don't use web pages at all, they get all their information through Facebook groups and Facebook, and only talk through Facebook messenger or sometimes SMS. E-ma…

Couldn't you have said the same thing 20 years ago and used "AOL" instead? There seems to be a large group of users who consistently fit this trend and the company names just get swapped occasionally

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by x87678r »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #103

A lot of talk in this article about Google capturing the whole web, all valid points, but I find the Facebook walled garden even more terrifying. I see people now, often in online school parent groups I'm a part of, etc. who cannot even use email anymore, who don't use web pages at all, they get all their information through Facebook groups and Facebook, and only talk through Facebook messenger or sometimes SMS. E-ma…

Agreed, worse is groups/websites/mailing lists which you must have FB account to join.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by searchableguy »

reaperducer wrote: post #62
doliveira wrote: post #53

Didn't we do this to ourselves, though? The tech community did decide that vendor lock-in is okay, walled gardens are okay and also that a browser monopoly is okay. My impression is that this is what's different this time: it was chosen by developers themselves

Didn't we do this to ourselves, though? Does it matter? We still give cancer treatment to smokers. We still give dialysis to alcoholics. We still pull the plastic out of our own oceans.

Not for free where I live. They have to pay for the treatment.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by dmitshur »

simias wrote: post #84

The problem is that, IMO, centralization of the internet is simply the natural course. Especially when people seem to care so little. Centralization is cheaper, easier to monetize, easier to control, easier to update and upgrade. That's why people prefer Discord to IRC, that's why people prefer Slack to SMTP or Jabber, that's why for many people these days the distinction between git and GitHub is blurry. I suspect t…

> Even here on HN you have threads full of people coming up with excuses for why they won't run Firefox, and that's a community that should understand the implication of those things.

Genuine question, do you mind saying (or pointing to something) what are the implications of browser choice of individuals reading HN?

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