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Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by djsumdog »

How does this apply to eBay or Newegg? I've written about how we've lost a lot of smaller independent websites and everyone has to have a store on Amazon/eBay/Newegg/Reverb these days:

https://battlepenguin.com/tech/the-death-of-the-mom-and-pop-...

I imagine this wouldn't affect eBay since it's clearly a site where you are buying from a seller. eBay is more of a newspaper listening. But what about Newegg or Reverb which try to create these tight models just like Amazon so you're not always sure who exactly you're buying from? Newegg even does the "sold and shipped" by newegg (it's not clear if these are actual products from newegg inventory or if they are leasing warehouse/inventory pipeline like Amazon).

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by djsumdog »

myself248 wrote: post #181
imglorp wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then maybe this return policy will only apply to buyers in CA?

Now I'm wondering if I can establish personal nexus in CA sufficient to qualify for such protections, while continuing to reside in place without all the Californians...

California is big enough and the scope wide enough that Amazon will most likely have to address it for the entire country. I doubt we'll see some items taken off listings in California but still available in Texas. That would open up a whole new can of poop.

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by [deleted] »

icebergwarrior wrote: post #109
ComputerGuru wrote: post #65

I’ve finally figured out how to buy non-counterfeit items on Amazon: try selling it yourself and see if Amazon says 3rd party listings are allowed. In the very few cases where you’re not allowed to proceed to create a listing, it is safe to purchase.

I see this type of comment all the time, but I've never purchased anything but legitimate items off of Amazon. What are you buying that you consistently run into fakes / knockoffs?

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Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by virtue3 »

icebergwarrior wrote: post #109
ComputerGuru wrote: post #65

I’ve finally figured out how to buy non-counterfeit items on Amazon: try selling it yourself and see if Amazon says 3rd party listings are allowed. In the very few cases where you’re not allowed to proceed to create a listing, it is safe to purchase.

I see this type of comment all the time, but I've never purchased anything but legitimate items off of Amazon. What are you buying that you consistently run into fakes / knockoffs?

try buying a pair of authntic raybans. It's not exactly easy :/

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by virtue3 »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #92

Wow, here is the actual decision : https://cases.justia.com/california/court-of-appeal/2020-d07... It definitely looks like Amazon is going to have to accept strict liability in California. That will make it interesting to see what they do. Do they leave California? (their biggest US market) or do they clean up their FBA act? I'm hoping for the latter, as the justices argue in the decision that is exactly the intent…

This will most likely carry on with other states.

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by djsumdog »

xoxoy wrote: post #60

Shopping on Amazon has become unbearable for like 95% of categories these days. The experience is like rummaging through some shady tourist market with a dozen stall owners trying to scam you. The pricing is all whack with lots of counterfeits that have gamed the ranking and review systems. It’s just not worth trying to filter and find things that are actually competitively priced and sold directly by Amazon. Have no…

I wouldn't know. I stopped shopping on Amazon in 2016. It really irks me when I see a product I'm interested in and only see it on Amazon! I'll often pay the $10~$15 more to buy it straight from the manufacturers website to avoid Amazon (and a lot of times, it's cheaper outside of Amazon).

I miss the days of PriceScan/PriceWatch and other comparison sites.

Recently I bought some new camera parts. I noted the price of the body and lens I wanted on B&H, Adorama, Newegg .. and then went to Google shopping and found a smaller store called TriState Camera out of NY. Their website is old school; but I saved nearly $400 of the big retailers for the exact same parts.

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by ikeboy »

throwanem wrote: post #166
HlessClaudesman wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and therefore the retailer is incentivised not to sell junk in the first place. The problem with being an "everything store" is that everything also includes an overwhelming majority of crap, looking at you crappy "genuine sony" camera batteries that held about 10 minutes of charge, fulfilled by amazon.

Yeah, no, you got lucky with that - I found out Amazon can't be trusted with high-ticket items by getting a $1200 lens that turned out to be gray market. Works fine, but I better hope I never need warranty service. Amazon can't be trusted with high-ticket items, including but not limited to camera equipment. Go to B&H or Adorama, or Newegg or Micro Center for high-ticket computer parts (cf. the recent spate of GPU sc…

Every retailer you mentioned deals in grey market products. Here's B&H proudly admitting to it: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/find/HelpCenter/USGrey.jsp

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by Mary-Jane »

djsumdog wrote: post #206
xoxoy wrote: post #60

Shopping on Amazon has become unbearable for like 95% of categories these days. The experience is like rummaging through some shady tourist market with a dozen stall owners trying to scam you. The pricing is all whack with lots of counterfeits that have gamed the ranking and review systems. It’s just not worth trying to filter and find things that are actually competitively priced and sold directly by Amazon. Have no…

I wouldn't know. I stopped shopping on Amazon in 2016. It really irks me when I see a product I'm interested in and only see it on Amazon! I'll often pay the $10~$15 more to buy it straight from the manufacturers website to avoid Amazon (and a lot of times, it's cheaper outside of Amazon). I miss the days of PriceScan/PriceWatch and other comparison sites. Recently I bought some new camera parts. I noted the price of…

Your experience differs from mine substantially. Where do you shop that you can regularly find things cheaper than Amazon?

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by acomjean »

ikeboy wrote: post #207
throwanem wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, no, you got lucky with that - I found out Amazon can't be trusted with high-ticket items by getting a $1200 lens that turned out to be gray market. Works fine, but I better hope I never need warranty service. Amazon can't be trusted with high-ticket items, including but not limited to camera equipment. Go to B&H or Adorama, or Newegg or Micro Center for high-ticket computer parts (cf. the recent spate of GPU sc…

Every retailer you mentioned deals in grey market products. Here's B&H proudly admitting to it: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/find/HelpCenter/USGrey.jsp

You can buy gray market, and save a few dollars. It’s different when you buy and get grey market unexpectedly.

Re: Amazon Liable for Defective Third-Party Products Rules CA Appellate Court

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Post by user5994461 »

irrational wrote: post #24
51Cards wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not? I use PayPal for all my eBay transactions and what few items I sell (abeit rarely) also seem to be paid for via PayPal.

Yesterday I purchased the first thing in a long time from eBay. I was surprised that I could just use my credit card and no longer needed to use PayPal.

It's going through Paypal. When the listing has Paypal, it allows to pay with a card without opening a paypal account.

It's been a thing for more than 10 years, it's very well integrated, it's not necessarily transparent that the payment goes through Paypal.

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