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Re: Web by Google (TM)

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post #8

I think we’re in a real low point right now. Gmail, AMP, Chrome, Android. So many peoples internet experience is from one place. With Amazon dominating retail, and Facebook under its various brands dominating social media, there isn’t much scope for other players. I don’t see another option than breaking theses companies up at this point.

Don't forget that Amazon dominates a lot more than just retail on the internet. With AWS they effectively run large portions of it as well.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#12

AMP still makes no sense. On iOS, Android and Windows it’s completely broken and friction increasing to grab a link to send to a friend in another medium. Not only that but it seems the page slightly degrades sometimes. For what? A theoretical page load time improvement? Maybe that’s naive but we already have “request desktop mode” to allow for bifurcated experiences. Why do we need a third thats seemingly even worse…

AMP is the most transparent land grab Google has pulled. It's technically unjustifiable, is arguably value destroying, and as a bonus you can't disable it.

It only makes sense in terms of trying to lock marketers and publishers into a Google-led ecosystem.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#13

AMP still makes no sense. On iOS, Android and Windows it’s completely broken and friction increasing to grab a link to send to a friend in another medium. Not only that but it seems the page slightly degrades sometimes. For what? A theoretical page load time improvement? Maybe that’s naive but we already have “request desktop mode” to allow for bifurcated experiences. Why do we need a third thats seemingly even worse…

It's a lot of effort to maintain AMP pages for all your site content alongside the standard pages over time. That's why they tend to degrade.

Seems like a ShowHN opportunity: upgrade your AMP code (ugh) automatically when you update your regular web facing presence.

Call it antitrust.ly! :)

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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post #8

I think we’re in a real low point right now. Gmail, AMP, Chrome, Android. So many peoples internet experience is from one place. With Amazon dominating retail, and Facebook under its various brands dominating social media, there isn’t much scope for other players. I don’t see another option than breaking theses companies up at this point.

Don't forget that Amazon dominates a lot more than just retail on the internet. With AWS they effectively run large portions of it as well.

Isn't that kinda like saying that the electric companies do the same thing, though?

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget that Amazon dominates a lot more than just retail on the internet. With AWS they effectively run large portions of it as well.

Isn't that kinda like saying that the electric companies do the same thing, though?

They kind of do, which is why alot of big tech should be highly regulated like utilities.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget that Amazon dominates a lot more than just retail on the internet. With AWS they effectively run large portions of it as well.

Isn't that kinda like saying that the electric companies do the same thing, though?

I’m under the impression there is more regulation because they are a utility company.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#17
This is depressing, we as developers have to take the bull by its horns. Simply stop using their services, advocate against AMP etc.

But in the end, the US government will most likely have to split the company in order for stuff to really change.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

#18
post #5

> Google’s capture of the Web is a fait accompli. Only legislation will keep the World Wide Web from finally becoming Web by Google (TM). I really hope it's not the case, because then Google will cancel it. /s Search is probably something where there could be creative use of the p2p decentralized technologies. If when performing a search I could ask my contacts to look in their history if they have something matching…

Google, the original author behind cancel culture /s

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget that Amazon dominates a lot more than just retail on the internet. With AWS they effectively run large portions of it as well.

Isn't that kinda like saying that the electric companies do the same thing, though?

AWS has varying degrees of vendor lock-in, which electricity companies generally don't have.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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post #5

> Google’s capture of the Web is a fait accompli. Only legislation will keep the World Wide Web from finally becoming Web by Google (TM). I really hope it's not the case, because then Google will cancel it. /s Search is probably something where there could be creative use of the p2p decentralized technologies. If when performing a search I could ask my contacts to look in their history if they have something matching…

Somehow asking a contact for a recommendation or search result has never felt right. I have many friends I value very very much and yet I don't share their political views, I don't like their technology preferences and I sure as damn don't agree with their musicsl tastes.

Right now I'll settle for a centralized search engine/service that works like Google did before all the crazy, like before Amp, and before penalizing non-mobile-optimized sites, and so on.

Federated search scares me because it might constrain search results by being tainted with a localised world view.

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