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Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Post by dragonwriter »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #319
dragonwriter wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A lot of people believed Snowden's gross misreading of the documents he leaked, and that misreading paints a picture of deep state intelligence agencies run amok illegally spying on Americans. Of course, any literate person who reads the documents understands they don't support that picture On the other hand, the intelligence community IG report mandated by the FISA Amendments Act that leaked and was published just…

> On the other hand, the intelligence community IG report mandated by the FISA Amendments Act that leaked and was published just after, and almost certainly because of, the publication of the Snowden leaks did paint such a picture. In what way does it show the NSA having access to everybody's communications as Snowden alleged? Your comment is full of underspecified insinuations with no concrete facts to back them up.

> In what way does it show the NSA having access to everybody's communications

That wasn't the claim, the claim was—in your words—that it showed “deep state intelligence agencies run amok illegally spying on Americans”.

> Your comment is full of underspecified insinuations

The level of specification was set by your original description.

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Post by compsciphd »

surround wrote: post #263
627467 wrote: post #108

I'm not American so my opinion won't matter. Yet, in my view Snowden actions have been extremely important to set the discussions we are having today: how private do we expect our digital lives to be be it from the state or from megacorps. I doubt that Facebook/CA affair in 2016 elections would have come to light (or have the same impact) had Snowden leaks not had happened. I doubt that Europeans would have stoped be…

A nice example is uBlock Origin, which was (probably) created as a result of the Snowden leaks. June 2013 - Snowden leaks NSA documents September 2013 - the first commit to the Script HQ extension is made (which soon became HTTP Switchboard, which later became uMatrix and uBlock) https://github.com/gorhill/httpswitchboard/commits/master?af...

ad blocking existed long before uBlock. uBlock was notable as being a more efficient way of doing it, not a more effective way (i.e. its still using the same form of block lists)

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Post by tigershark »

lightgreen wrote: post #248
sabujp wrote: post #147

ObamaCare is a disaster and Snowden is a spy who should be executed-but if it and he could reveal Obama's records,I might become a major fan Trump needs to be held criminally liable for letting thousands die unnecessarily due to covid.

As well as several other country leaders, e. g. presidents/PMs of UK, Italy, France etc.

I don’t recall any of them telling everyone not to use the masks after their efficacy was proven. Trump stance on masks killed thousands of people.

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Post by lightgreen »

tigershark wrote: post #333
lightgreen wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As well as several other country leaders, e. g. presidents/PMs of UK, Italy, France etc.

I don’t recall any of them telling everyone not to use the masks after their efficacy was proven. Trump stance on masks killed thousands of people.

Can you please share a link supporting your statement?

AFAIR the efficiency of masks was not proven until recently and in the beginning of pandemic even WHO recommended against masks.

Anyway, accusing Trump of thousand deaths because of what he said is just naive. If he was obviously wrong he wound be corrected by press, local governments, senators etc.

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Post by frank2 »

krick wrote: post #326
cryptonector wrote: post #312

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If you'd been paying attention you'd know that the President has the absolute, unquestionable power to pardon offenses against the United States, which specifically means: offences under Federal law, but not offenses under State law.

I have absolutely zero idea what that means. So does it require some effort from him to pardon Snowden or not?

No! All he has to do is sign a piece of paper.

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Post by dontcarethrow2 »

refurb wrote: post #194
option wrote: post #21

Snowden should be pardoned. Good for Trump if he does this

Ha! Love how this is downvoted. Trump could cure cancer and HN would fault in it.

He has tons of fans everywhere.

'Ye but but' --looks at the fake news bingo entry-- 'Russia!'

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Post by smt88 »

listenallyall wrote: post #292
darksaints wrote: post #272

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We're 3/4 of the way there, infections growing at the fastest rate yet, and no vaccine yet. It looks like 1 million will fall short of actual deaths by the time this is through.

oh, so now Covid deaths outside of the USA are Trump's fault too?

He deported Covid-positive people to Guatemala and has worked against the WHO, so... some of them, yes.

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Post by smt88 »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #322
8note wrote: post #316

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I'd say he had 3 years to get good healthcare in and spent that time golfing instead?

As I said, it's not the President's job or power to fix broken state apparatus. That's the state's job.

Then why do we call ACA "ObamaCare"?

The White House can propose and advocate policies, and it has an effect. Trump has promised to do the former and has never done it. Why is he promising to do it if it has no effect?

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Post by listenallyall »

smt88 wrote: post #337
listenallyall wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh, so now Covid deaths outside of the USA are Trump's fault too?

He deported Covid-positive people to Guatemala and has worked against the WHO, so... some of them, yes.

This comment is logically inconsistent. If the USA's handling of Covid is so awful, then by definition an infected person would get better treatment somewhere else, like Guatemala.

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Post by Jordrok »

austhrow743 wrote: post #199
sixothree wrote: post #116

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Are there any measurable metrics by which he is doing a good job?

Sure, the most important one. Hasn't invaded any new countries.

If that's your number one qualification for a president then we should have just appointed a pet rock instead. No new wars, and it wouldn't complain when you try to put a mask on it.
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