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Re: GNOME 3 Released

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Post by Lennie »

threepointone wrote: post #37
squidsoup wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're not representative of the linux userbase anymore - increasingly it is used by students, home users and office workers that aren't necessarily technical. That's the demographic they should be appealing to and they're more interested in social and media related apps.

>We're not representative of the linux userbase anymore. > increasingly it is used by students, home users and office workers that aren't necessarily technical. citations, please. it's one thing where the developers of gnome/linux WANT it to be used by this demographic, it's another to claim that it's happening (and to claim that HN users don't use it anymore).

I just know, statcounter claims Linux has 1% worldwide desktop website-visitors and Wikipedia has statistics that say: 2% of the Wikipedia visitors is a Linux-desktop user. Half of that is an Ubuntu user.

All mobile (non-desktop) users combined statcounter claims is also around 1%

Re: GNOME 3 Released

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Post by Lennie »

jrockway wrote: post #16
demetris wrote: post #14

The webfont used (Cantarell) does not look good in Windows. The texts are almost unreadable: http://op111.net/u/misc/20110407-win7-fx4-gnome.org.png — (It looks fine on Linux.) Cantarell, by the way, is also the UI font of Gnome Shell. Not a bad UI font, I think, but it has a narrow glyph range (about 400) and only includes Latin. Moving to the larger picture, my impression from the Gnome Shell desktop up to now is t…

UIs like this are not for power users. They use xmonad or awesome or dwm or ratpoison or ... This is for someone who turns on their computer, does some work, and then stops using their computer. They do not want to bother themselves with a lot of learning. Simple actions that can be easily learned and improve speed (like keyboard shortcuts) are in reach. But more "confusing" concepts like virtual desktops without vis…

That is kind of strange how they want to make it easy to use for the average user, when I think 'discoverability' (how easy is it to find/discover features) of these kinds of desktop environment isn't all that good.

To me it looks more like they tried to make a desktop which also works for tablet-users (read: touch)

Re: GNOME 3 Released

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Post by Lennie »

RandyHelzerman wrote: post #18

Who cares about gnome? I mean really. To first, second, and third order approximations, nobody will ever use it. The ipad2 sold over 2 million units the first month out. The next billion users of the internet will interact with it over their cell phone. Might as well publish an article about somebody who is making a nice set of switches for the front panel of a pdp-11 using mahogany wood or something.

My guess is you are looking for a discussion of ChromeOS ? This isn't that discussion. :-)

Re: GNOME 3 Released

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Post by ambiguity »

RandyHelzerman wrote: post #18

Who cares about gnome? I mean really. To first, second, and third order approximations, nobody will ever use it. The ipad2 sold over 2 million units the first month out. The next billion users of the internet will interact with it over their cell phone. Might as well publish an article about somebody who is making a nice set of switches for the front panel of a pdp-11 using mahogany wood or something.

At least a third of the people on Hacker News. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2303726.

Re: GNOME 3 Released

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Post by statictype »

iamcalledrob wrote: post #26

Gnome really needs help with their typography (and design in general). Gradients, docks and shiny icons do not make a well designed product. It's clear to see it suffers from the curse of open source software – design by committee, and the featuritis that results from that. There's often "flashy" chrome in OSS, but no solid interactions behind to back it up. It's equally important what you choose to leave out from yo…

Do you have any specific examples?

Re: GNOME 3 Released

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Post by alanh »

Looks quite heavily OS X inspired, with Windows 7’s window arrangement feature.

In theory, that should make for a great desktop environment.

Re: GNOME 3 Released

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Post by sigzero »

TillE wrote: post #31
rwmj wrote: post #23

It seems no one here has actually tried using GNOME 3 for any period of time. I gave it a couple of days and switched over to XFCE. I found it incredibly annoying as a developer desktop (perhaps a minority user these days?). It's very hard to switch between applications, virtual desktops are basically broken, you can't have shortcuts for launching apps/programs, no focus-follows-mouse, and the GNOME developers don't…

If developers are a minority of Linux users, surely it's still a large minority. Sadly, KDE3 was the last desktop I actually enjoyed using. KDE4 is still (still!) broken and useless and ugly.

What KDE are you using? The current version is miles away from the initial 4 release. I don't think it is hardly broken, useless and ugly.

Re: GNOME 3 Released

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Post by epochwolf »

_frog wrote: post #28
DrJokepu wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's playful, it clearly and strongly communicates a single underlying concept. I think it's good.

It's just such a grammatically poor phrase and it gives the impression that the entire project lacks polish and thoughtful design.

So it matches what some people in this thread think of the project so far?
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