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Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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This is not news. Let's see him actually pardon Snowden, then talk about it.

Seven years ago, Trump said Snowden should be executed. Four years ago, in an interview, Obama refused to pardon Snowden. I’d say this is a notable development.

Honestly who cares? The guy is actively trying to undermine your (flawed) democracy. Anything he does or says is moot and serves merely as a distraction.

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Using "leaker" instead of "whisteblower" is not necessarily wrong, just politically charged. Using "leaker" means you are ignoring that what he did was to blow whistle on illegal activities and only focusing on him.

Leaking was the method. It is a statement of fact that he was a leaker. It’s a statement of values/opinion that he was a whistleblower.

It's good manners to avoid calling somebody a word they don't call themselves, and in this case I'd personally defer to The Guardian's articles from 2013 that say "whistleblower": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hLjuVyIIrs

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Entirely driven by congressional Republicans.

Umm... it was in his election platform. And of course he needed help from congress, he can't actually pass a bill without congress.

If you compare its process to the 2012 tax cut, there are big differences. The 2012 bill passed ultimately when Biden and McConnell agreed. The 2017 bill was drafted in secret and presented without the minority party seeing the bill at all. [0]

[0] https://publicintegrity.org/inequality-poverty-opportunity/t...

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Using "leaker" instead of "whisteblower" is not necessarily wrong, just politically charged. Using "leaker" means you are ignoring that what he did was to blow whistle on illegal activities and only focusing on him.

Leaking was the method. It is a statement of fact that he was a leaker. It’s a statement of values/opinion that he was a whistleblower.

Grey comments like this are a reminder that the american tech industry has reached a point where you're only allowed to advocate for one set of ideas out loud (what a coincidence considering where SV and SF are). Nothing this person said is wrong or phrased in a hostile manner but the comment is going grey for simply acknowledging the nuance of the topic. As someone who grew up as a dem during a time when dems were the ones preaching tolerance, it's weird that we're the censorship party now.

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Sure, the most important one. Hasn't invaded any new countries.

Unless you count the transformation of our friendly presence in Iraq to a hostile invasion opposed by the government. But, sure, he hasn't invaded any countries that weren't notionally friendly at the time of the invasion.

> our friendly presence in Iraq

Once again I marvel at the flexibility of our English language in describing impossible concepts, such as this one.

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I suppose on his mind this might fit with some sort of fight with the "deep state". Beyond that I would just chalk it up to some inherent capriciousness... bordering on concerning instability.

> does something I like > No! It doesn't matter, his motives must have been terrible. I will never understand this kind of reaction, when you get so emotional about something that all pragmatism goes out the window.

It has a name now... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

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Both

Using "leaker" instead of "whisteblower" is not necessarily wrong, just politically charged. Using "leaker" means you are ignoring that what he did was to blow whistle on illegal activities and only focusing on him.

If I witness a robbery in progress, and I call the cops, am I a leaker?

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He was not a Government employee at the time. Contractors don't get to be whistle blowers. EDIT: Turns out the law does protect contractors, so I guess it's circumstantial that employees get branded whistle blowers and contractors get charged as spies.

Brilliant, just hire contractors to get around good governance rules :)

I mean, it works for Google and Facebook.
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