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Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Snowden is charged with theft, unauthorized communication of national defense information, and willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person, under the 1917 Espionage Act. His unauthorized disclosures of classified information caused grave damage to the national security of the United States and allowed enemies of the United States to better conceal their commun…

Almost everyone thought mass surveillance was a conspiracy theory before Snowden. On the balance maybe he still deserves prison, but denying the positives of what Snowden did is disingenuous.

Easy to forget this. Before Snowden, any claims I made to my family and non tech friends of government surveillance were met with incredulousness and had me branded as a conspiracy theorist.

Snowden vastly changed the conversation for everyday people. He's a hero.

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Politically, he just says insane things that get headlines, which distract from the real news: Covid killing hundreds of thousands under his care, dismantling of the Post Office, and other highly unpopular consequences of his presidency.

Covid killing hundreds of thousands under his care But the US is near the middle-bottom of per capita deaths in Western countries and far behind several European countries.[1] [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat...

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I don't think Russia needs anyone's help being rid of Snowden... Russia is not a very free country, if they want him silent, gone, whatever it would happen.

Clearly Snowden has been useful to them, at least from a propaganda angle, and perhaps intelligence-wise as well. By now they've extracted all the value they were ever going to extract from him, and he may just be a cost center to them now, but you're absolutely right that if they wanted to be rid of him, it'd be trivial to do it.

How would he be a cost center?

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Probably why he's considering - or talking about - it now.

Was thinking the same thing, sounds like he's looking to win some votes back.

This is a good thing, right? Polititians try to do the right things to win votes. This is how democracy works.

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The CIA will instagib Snowden the instant it is physically possible for them to do so. A pardon will never change that. The commander of the CIA states it plainly: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/39568370275766272... (Remember, we're talking about the same CIA that hacked US congressional computers, because the congress was investigating the CIA’s torture record and they wanted to cover it up. Then the CIA…

It is a common political trick to find a quote from somebody years ago and pretend that quote says it all about that person. It may even be effective at times. But if you actually believe that if Trump said something in 2013 that quote alone is his true lifetime conviction and he will never change it till he is alive (Trump, of all people!) then you're getting high on your own supply.

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Biden already accepted invitations to the debates, last I read Trump had not.

Huh? Biden agreed to 3 debates and Trump asked for a 4th which Biden declined.[1] [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-rejects-trumps-push-f...

Not sure honestly and I can't read that article (paywall). I recently (just a few days ago) read official acceptance of the debate committee schedule had only been completed by Biden campaign. So maybe Trump proposed 4 but then hasn't accepted the actual invite yet?

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I suppose on his mind this might fit with some sort of fight with the "deep state". Beyond that I would just chalk it up to some inherent capriciousness... bordering on concerning instability.

Clearly there is a deep state. Snowden is proof.

The idea of a deep state is stupid.

It's just the state, it's fairly well documented at this stage what the NSA's capabilities look like. The idea that there is some kind of political conspiracy within that is totally unfounded.

The crossover between QAnon and Trump supporters is mighty convenient given trump's very real connections to the Maxwell's and decades worth of rape allegations - have you ever noticed that the national strategy of the Trump campaign is always to reflect accusations back at his opponents: Trump is accused of rape then a Biden accuser suddenly appears (with a very shaky story), Trump has extremely shady business dealings with Russia (and the Trump foundation was shut down for corruption) so crooked Hillary appears, Trump calls himself the smartest guy but speaks in 200 word run away sentences and mispronounces words and forgets people sat next to him ("Where's Rudy") but Joe Biden is a bad public speaker so suddenly sleepy Joe has dementia despite being noticeable sharper than the Donald.

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Is it just me or is the term leaker politically charged in the context. For me, Snowden is a whistle blower not a leaker. There's a reason why he revealed secretes (he also didn't just release them, but was very careful how much he revealed), the secrete programs were unconstitutional -> whistle blower not leaker. edit: typo.

This is known as Russell's conjugation in honor of Bertrand Russell's discussion of the topic on the BBC in 1948

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotive_conjugation

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I think that Trump believes that Snowden is a Russian spy, because he cannot imagine (given their different personalities) that somebody would do what Snowden did just for intrinsic reasons.

So Trump is trying to make a deal with Snowden - find some dirt on Democrats (Obama administration) during election, and I will pardon you.

However, Snowden is most likely not a spy, so no way this is gonna happen.

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This is not news. Let's see him actually pardon Snowden, then talk about it.

Seven years ago, Trump said Snowden should be executed.

Four years ago, in an interview, Obama refused to pardon Snowden.

I’d say this is a notable development.

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