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Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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If he actually does it I'll seriously considering voting for him. He won't, though.

It is interesting, your comment is completely insane to me. Doesn't that seem strange to you too?

It's also always interesting to watch one's comment score quickly bounce up and down by several points multiple times over just 30 minutes. Apparently this comment is controversial, heh.

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Are there any measurable metrics by which he is doing a good job?

Sure, the most important one. Hasn't invaded any new countries.

He's done his fair bit of missile-ing and bombing. One also wonders why his silence on the Russian contract killing is so deafening...

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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post #12

I suppose on his mind this might fit with some sort of fight with the "deep state". Beyond that I would just chalk it up to some inherent capriciousness... bordering on concerning instability.

Clearly there is a deep state. Snowden is proof.

I don't think anything in the Snowden leaks really indicates any sort of hidden leadership.

The 'deep state' concept requires more than just secret acts that people don't like.

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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post #115

If he actually does it I'll seriously considering voting for him. He won't, though.

It is interesting, your comment is completely insane to me. Doesn't that seem strange to you too?

It's insane to vote for someone who does things you support?

To someone with full blown TDS, sure, a Snowden pardon probably won't sway your opinion at all. But think of someone who leans libertarian and maybe doesn't love Trump but also doesn't hate him, and remembers how the Obama admin forced Snowden to flee and revoked his passport, forcing him to stay in Russia. Seeing a pardon from Trump could move them into being a mild supporter.

A lot of people have one or two big issues that their political allegiance revolves around. It can be abortion rights, gun rights, taxes, the national debt, anything. If someone's core issue is fighting the surveillance state, a Snowden pardon would be a massive change in the landscape.

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post #187

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Trump really hasn't taken the lead in much in the way of legislative action, almost ever. First major tax reform in decades?

Entirely driven by congressional Republicans.

Umm... it was in his election platform.

And of course he needed help from congress, he can't actually pass a bill without congress.

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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This is not news. Let's see him actually pardon Snowden, then talk about it.

Considering 3-4 years ago he referred to him as a traitor, I'd say the significant shift in stance is news. Should a pardon happen, this would set an important precedent for future whistleblowers and for the rule of law in the often obfuscated corners of the federal government. Support the efforts of Rand Paul and Thomas Massie, who have already publicly stated their support for a Presidential pardon in this case.

I think after 3 and 1/2 years, we'd all recognize by now that Trump more often than not says things just to stir up controversy. As others have said, this isn't newsworthy until he actually does something.

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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post #61

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Politically, he just says insane things that get headlines, which distract from the real news: Covid killing hundreds of thousands under his care, dismantling of the Post Office, and other highly unpopular consequences of his presidency.

Covid killing hundreds of thousands under his care But the US is near the middle-bottom of per capita deaths in Western countries and far behind several European countries.[1] [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat...

Why would you use that as a source? It omits most countries.

A real ranking shows the US is doing far worse (orders of magnitude worse) than many countries[1].

One of the few countries doing worse is Sweden, which actively did nothing. They serve as a (flawed, but interesting) baseline.

Our own health officials are blowing whistles, criticizing the federal response in the press, and (universally) disagreeing with Trump's dismissals, false predictions, and insane medical advice.

To think the US is doing well is utter delusion. I don't know what else to call it.

1. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

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Well there you go. I guess it was my own assumption based on one of the PRISM slides that show when surveillance for each company started.[1] I assumed it involved cooperation. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#/...

Well, that's court-ordered production of data based on given search terms. Being ordered by a court to do something is not the opposite of "cooperation" but it's not the same thing either. What Googlers were angry about was the stuff in the leaks that showed they were tapping undersea cables.

I see. So they were aware of some data collection, because the court forced them to, but there was other collection going on they weren't aware of.

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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they've intentionally selected the word due to it's negative context. The usage of "leaker" allows them to play to the 'orange man bad' narrative, which they value more than getting Snowden pardoned.

Are there any measurable metrics by which he is doing a good job?

Sure, taxes are lower for the rich, environmental regulations pose much less hindrance to exploitative industries, there are more conservative judges, and at least 10s of millions of libs have been triggered.

Metrics aligned with the general welfare of the US, though? Not so much.

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Probably why he's considering - or talking about - it now.

Was thinking the same thing, sounds like he's looking to win some votes back.

He won't be winning many votes back, as those who like Snowden likely didn't vote for him, but he might be considering winning some votes "forward", as it's not likely Republicans would vote for Biden just to spite Trump for pardoning Snowden - who is increasingly irrelevant anyway, he did what he did and by now nobody cares about his personal destiny too much and it's not likely there's a chance to punish him anyway. But if he could win some independents who are on the fence - that would be nice.
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