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Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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palae wrote: post #88
cik2e wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I referred to not being willing to replace meat in general, not beef specifically, due to the difficulty in getting a similar mix of nutrients, not to mention things that you can't get from vegetables, period. Here's a small list [ https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-ge... ] but there are plenty more. Sure, some of them are non-essential but those are pretty damn useful for general health, cogni…

The thing is, when switching from an omnivore diet to a plant-based diet, meat is not replaced by tomatoes and broccolis (or vegetables in general), it is replaced by tofu, beans, lentils, rice, nuts, etc. which are all at the bottom of the list your linked.

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Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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Post by tito »

palae wrote: post #88
cik2e wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I referred to not being willing to replace meat in general, not beef specifically, due to the difficulty in getting a similar mix of nutrients, not to mention things that you can't get from vegetables, period. Here's a small list [ https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-ge... ] but there are plenty more. Sure, some of them are non-essential but those are pretty damn useful for general health, cogni…

The thing is, when switching from an omnivore diet to a plant-based diet, meat is not replaced by tomatoes and broccolis (or vegetables in general), it is replaced by tofu, beans, lentils, rice, nuts, etc. which are all at the bottom of the list your linked.

I love this point, I believe it'll make its way into my day to day thinking on carbon.

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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Post by sukilot »

cik2e wrote: post #81
tashoecraft wrote: post #74

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I think you saying it’s too much effort to replace beef is really just covering for you liking beef. Which is totally fine, but it’s really not much effort to replace beef out of your diet

I referred to not being willing to replace meat in general, not beef specifically, due to the difficulty in getting a similar mix of nutrients, not to mention things that you can't get from vegetables, period. Here's a small list [ https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-ge... ] but there are plenty more. Sure, some of them are non-essential but those are pretty damn useful for general health, cogni…

How much carb is carb heavy? Tofu is 1:4 carb: protein and lentil is 1:1. A "normal" healthy non-atkins-type diet is about 4:1.

Plants have a lot fiber which counteracts carbs and creates satiation (displaces calories).

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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Post by sukilot »

loceng wrote: post #59
coderintherye wrote: post #29

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I'm curious if you've tried Beyond Meat? Not saying it is comparable, but it is quite good in my opinion, much better than the old veggie burger options. Just interested in subjective opinions of people of how close it gets to being a viable alternative to people who currently eat meat.

Comparing high quality meat with a highly processed "meat alternative" shouldn't be judge on taste, and they're not comparable otherwise. Beyond Meat burger ingredients: Water, Pea Protein*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice…

Meat is muscle, not exactly what a body and brain needs.

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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Post by _Microft »

kebman wrote: post #66
_Microft wrote: post #17

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They are talking about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophic_level#Biomass_transfer...

My BS-O-metre just went off big time. First off, this is an extreme generalization that does not pick up local differences. Take the Northeren hemisphere for instance, where meat is in many instances the most effective way to utilize our growing conditions to produce edible food. [1] It's just not possible to efficibely use our climate to make sustainable production of vegetables, so meat is in fact a better way to m…

If you are interested in this, you might want to read the well-researched article of OurWorldInData on food production and its impact. Some things like producing meat locally are, maybe surprisingly, worse solutions than replacing it with vegetables even when these were shipped around the globe.

Transport has a low impact on the total emissions (and also producing beef is sooo bad) that you could e.g. ship a kilogram of peas several times around the globe and the peas would still win emission-wise against a kilogram of locally produced beef. If you pick another metric, like energy content ('calories') or compare emissions per mass of contained protein, beef is still worse.

https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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Post by Jolter »

loceng wrote: post #59
coderintherye wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious if you've tried Beyond Meat? Not saying it is comparable, but it is quite good in my opinion, much better than the old veggie burger options. Just interested in subjective opinions of people of how close it gets to being a viable alternative to people who currently eat meat.

Comparing high quality meat with a highly processed "meat alternative" shouldn't be judge on taste, and they're not comparable otherwise. Beyond Meat burger ingredients: Water, Pea Protein*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice…

> Many of these things are not good for many people

Irrelevant. They are fine for the absolute majority of people. For almost everyone in the world, eating Beyond Meat burgers would be better than meat burgers.

You should eat according to your body’s needs, but just because you have GI issues does not devalue innovations in food technology.

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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Post by _Microft »

_Microft wrote: post #95
kebman wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My BS-O-metre just went off big time. First off, this is an extreme generalization that does not pick up local differences. Take the Northeren hemisphere for instance, where meat is in many instances the most effective way to utilize our growing conditions to produce edible food. [1] It's just not possible to efficibely use our climate to make sustainable production of vegetables, so meat is in fact a better way to m…

If you are interested in this, you might want to read the well-researched article of OurWorldInData on food production and its impact. Some things like producing meat locally are, maybe surprisingly, worse solutions than replacing it with vegetables even when these were shipped around the globe. Transport has a low impact on the total emissions (and also producing beef is sooo bad) that you could e.g. ship a kilogram…

What a coincidence: Max Roser, the founder of Our World in Data, shared an article [0][1] on Twitter about the importance of the choice of diet and local production a mere two hours after my earlier posting.

[0] https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1294928556036956162

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

#98

Post by kebman »

_Microft wrote: post #95
kebman wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My BS-O-metre just went off big time. First off, this is an extreme generalization that does not pick up local differences. Take the Northeren hemisphere for instance, where meat is in many instances the most effective way to utilize our growing conditions to produce edible food. [1] It's just not possible to efficibely use our climate to make sustainable production of vegetables, so meat is in fact a better way to m…

If you are interested in this, you might want to read the well-researched article of OurWorldInData on food production and its impact. Some things like producing meat locally are, maybe surprisingly, worse solutions than replacing it with vegetables even when these were shipped around the globe. Transport has a low impact on the total emissions (and also producing beef is sooo bad) that you could e.g. ship a kilogram…

Don't you think it's a little unfair to compare peas to meat? First of all, most people aren't going to replace their meat with veggies, and most veggies already have to be imported anyway. Compared to importing other meats, it is of course much better to have the meat produced locally, especially considering that the land can't really be utilized well in other ways. Which is also a question of avoiding dependencies, btw. In any case, beef is just a part of what is produced, as mountaneous areas are for instance better suited to mutton. Then there's the question of sorely lacking amino acids in pea proteins, meaning that it's not really fair to make one-to-one comparisons. Even if there are benefits from replacing all meats with veggies, the taste and texture just can't compare to meat, which again means that very few are going to voluntarily make the switch even for conscientious reasons.

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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Post by _Microft »

kebman wrote: post #98
_Microft wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are interested in this, you might want to read the well-researched article of OurWorldInData on food production and its impact. Some things like producing meat locally are, maybe surprisingly, worse solutions than replacing it with vegetables even when these were shipped around the globe. Transport has a low impact on the total emissions (and also producing beef is sooo bad) that you could e.g. ship a kilogram…

Don't you think it's a little unfair to compare peas to meat? First of all, most people aren't going to replace their meat with veggies, and most veggies already have to be imported anyway. Compared to importing other meats, it is of course much better to have the meat produced locally, especially considering that the land can't really be utilized well in other ways. Which is also a question of avoiding dependencies,…

Not at all, the topic of ressource efficiency in the form of the trophic level of different foods was exactly how our sub-thread of the discussion started. I have not argued about any other aspect of meat other than it being a pretty awful way of extracting ressources.

Re: Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – study

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Post by jiofih »

astura wrote: post #86
jiofih wrote: post #80

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Pretty sure the parent comment was suggesting that. Hé even said “it’s what vegetarians do”.

Cows raised for beef are almost always fed corn and soy in feedlots, not let out to pasture to graze on grass.

Indeed, it’s a shame since grass-fed tastes much better and is more environmentally friendly.

Either way, we can’t just “eat what the cows eat” directly and there are a lot more variables to consider.

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