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Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Post by marcan_42 »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #82
longtimegoogler wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. Wasn't it common knowledge that the Government had access to emails via ISPs and shredder well before Snowden's revelations? What was revealing, I guess was some of the technical details of how it was being done.

Part of why Google decided to speed up their timeline on encrypting traffic across their internal network is because they learned the NSA tapped into it.

I was there when it happened, and basically the entire engineering org was pissed off at the NSA. It went from ongoing project to "we're flipping the switch within a month" or something like that.

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Post by C19is20 »

jhardy54 wrote: post #130
s17n wrote: post #115

If he actually does it I'll seriously considering voting for him. He won't, though.

This single issue is not worth overlooking the rest of Trump and the GOP.

Any single issue, or even combination of several is why I have never, and never will vote.

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Post by hombre_fatal »

duxup wrote: post #89
undoware wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be interested to know the rationale for the downvote.

I didn't vote but IMO the posts that are really certain of a specific agenda seem sort of less credible and just rando spin. Even a slight indication that you recognize your are guessing tends to illicit... better responses.

Yeah, the forum political expert analyst is such a boring trope.

"So, pol nerd here!" —whoa, quite the credentials! It's just altogether offputting and exactly the thing we need less in discourse. We're all just guessing, so it goes a long way to admit that you realize that instead of sounding like the kind of person who thinks you're a "pol nerd" with their finger on the pulse because you do whatever you think you do that makes you an authority on the matter, like read Twitter.

Re: Trump says he is considering pardon for Edward Snowden

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Post by gpm »

jjoonathan wrote: post #120
gpm wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In his profile > about: Not related to the real Henry Kissinger.

It's pretty standard for novelty accounts to put disclaimers in their details, so I don't think that provides much information one way or another.

Oh, I interpreted the "not a novelty account" option to be "actually Henry Kissinger", which that disclaimer means it probably isn't.

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Post by doonesbury »

cryptonector wrote: post #65
mindcrime wrote: post #54

I'll be impressed when he actually issues a pardon. I'd say Trump is notorious for "talking about" things without ever delivering anything. Take the issue of 50 state concealed carry reciprocity. Regardless of what you think about this issue yourself, it seems clear that Trump has tried to pander to gun owners and 2A advocates by constantly talking about this. But last I heard, there had been no meaningful action on…

It's easy to promise controversial things that require Congressional action and cannot pass Congress. The President -no matter who they are or what Congressional action they promised- can't even push their allies in Congress to do something that can't work because of the filibuster or lack of sufficient majorities. Every candidate, and every President, promises things that they know Congress won't likely deliver -- c…

Yes ... Yes .. But meanwhile djt confers distinction for gratuitous and wanton blabbering on about what he could do, will do, can do under the law etc.. His talk is 1000x worse that what the average DC politician gas bags on about.

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Post by throwawaythekey »

duskwuff wrote: post #118
gok wrote: post #22

Trump wants to help a traitor that helped him get elected? Sounds so unlike him!

I think you've mixed up Snowden (whose leaks were all around 2013, well before the Trump campaign) and Assange (who fits your description).

Assange only fits the caricature of the description, but that's for another thread.

In brief though, he can not be a traitor because he is not American and never worked for the American government. The most traitorous party in the Assange case was probably Manning, who had his sentence commuted by Obama which was then lauded.

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Post by aoowii »

cryptonector wrote: post #25
duxup wrote: post #12

I suppose on his mind this might fit with some sort of fight with the "deep state". Beyond that I would just chalk it up to some inherent capriciousness... bordering on concerning instability.

You've addressed the President's possible motivations. But, do you think Snowden should be pardoned? Just curious. (It's a tough call. I've not decided my own position on the matter.)

What the NSA is doing is wrong and edward should be pardoned, but he has said himself he is fine with a fair trial in court (fair is the key word here). So even if you are undecided on the pardoning you have to agree he should be given trial in the US unless for some weird reason you love the NSA that much.
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