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Re: I’ll admit it. I’m a jealous developer

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Post by scarface74 »

brailsafe wrote: post #60
scarface74 wrote: post #50

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Wozniak didn’t do anything significant after Apple. Not meant to be a judgmental, once you almost die it kind of changes your priorities and just by founding Apple he has done more in his life than most. Jobs on the other hand, cofounded Apple, Next, and Pixar. The leaders at Next basically took over at Apple and the leaders at Pixar basically took over Disney’s animation division and ushered in a new era of animatio…

Seems to me like Woz has lived a fullfilling life doing basically what he's wanted to do. I don't see how that's not significant. My impression is that he never made his life's mission the ostensibly virtuous path of making commodity products for the masses. Not at Apple and not elsewhere. If I were to admire someone for how they lived their life, I'd probably choose Woz, not Jobs, because it almost seems laughably u…

Isn’t that exactly what I said?

once you almost die it kind of changes your priorities and just by founding Apple he has done more in his life than most.

Re: I’ll admit it. I’m a jealous developer

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Post by sys_64738 »

scarface74 wrote: post #50
paulryanrogers wrote: post #49

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Interesting perspective. I think the truth is they needed each other and the circumstances in which they excelled.

Wozniak didn’t do anything significant after Apple. Not meant to be a judgmental, once you almost die it kind of changes your priorities and just by founding Apple he has done more in his life than most. Jobs on the other hand, cofounded Apple, Next, and Pixar. The leaders at Next basically took over at Apple and the leaders at Pixar basically took over Disney’s animation division and ushered in a new era of animatio…

Wozniak did the Apple thing and got lucky purely down to Jobs' drive. Wozniak did the engineering and then left or took a hiatus. The was it and he did nothing else. I admire his technical ability for what he did but he didn't do much of note after Apple. I could be wrong.

Re: I’ll admit it. I’m a jealous developer

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Post by scarface74 »

sys_64738 wrote: post #62
scarface74 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wozniak didn’t do anything significant after Apple. Not meant to be a judgmental, once you almost die it kind of changes your priorities and just by founding Apple he has done more in his life than most. Jobs on the other hand, cofounded Apple, Next, and Pixar. The leaders at Next basically took over at Apple and the leaders at Pixar basically took over Disney’s animation division and ushered in a new era of animatio…

Wozniak did the Apple thing and got lucky purely down to Jobs' drive. Wozniak did the engineering and then left or took a hiatus. The was it and he did nothing else. I admire his technical ability for what he did but he didn't do much of note after Apple. I could be wrong.

He invented the first universal remote. There’s that...

Re: I’ll admit it. I’m a jealous developer

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Post by ayyy »

to1y wrote: post #46
apeescape wrote: post #13

As Homer Simpson noted^, jealousy and envy mean different things. If you're jealous, you're worried someone will take something away from you, whereas an envious person just wants to get other people's success for themself. ^ https://youtu.be/Tmx1jpqv3RA

Where did this idea come from and why is it so often claimed? Never in my life have I heard someone use 'jealousy' in that context, yet it seems to be widely accepted fact on the internet.

When I google "define jealous" and "define envy", I read it the same as Homer. I think it's one of those pre-internet "facts" people learned in school.

If you're not aware, "literally" also now literally means "figuratively".

It's memes all the way down.

Re: I’ll admit it. I’m a jealous developer

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Post by anonytrary »

juped wrote: post #58
anonytrary wrote: post #21

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This problem isn't unique to Medium. Content itself performs optimally in the current web ecosystem when it is click-baity and stretched out. I've seen just as bad stuff from developers who create their own #learntocode[0] blogs. [0] Referring to the current trend of developers creating YouTube channels and blogs that funnel people into their "crack the Google interview" subscription course that is basically just the…

I have more of a chance of making money doing this than passing a leetcode interview, so I understand the appeal. It's hard to get mad at them for doing what makes money.

I'm not mad or anything. It's a market need. Software engineering is filled with some sort of mysticism apparently, and teachers and guides are always welcome. I'm more just pointing out the fact that this is currently trending. Eventually the pool of needed teachers will get saturated and it will no longer be profitable to create your own series unless you have some teaching edge.

Re: I’ll admit it. I’m a jealous developer

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

httpsterio wrote: post #44
ZinZirconium wrote: post #41

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Team players don't work alone. What has happened to all the introverts who work alone? They're not working in tech. Tech is for extroverts who get paid to copy from public GitHub repositories and paste into private GitHub repositories and sell proprietary products built upon code ripped from open source projects. But that's okay. Not everybody can be an extrovert who gets paid to pretend to code. RMS said it best: >…

It your takeaway is that on the RMS debacle, then I find it rather sad. Without diminishing his achievements, the man is such a bad people person that he literally couldn't understand and respect other people's boundaries and sexually harassed several women. No matter how good of an activist or a movement leader you are, if you can't stop yourself from being a huge creep, you should not hold a position of power and w…

Yeah, he might be a deeply unpleasant person, and perhaps he shouldn't be a leader, but when the histories of the 20th century and the Internet are written, he'll have a starring place.

Re: I’ll admit it. I’m a jealous developer

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Post by john4534243 »

scarface74 wrote: post #42
m463 wrote: post #29

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I remember reading the iWoz book by Steve Wozniak. At the end he had some advice and one thing he said went against all popular advice but sort of agreed with my internal dialog. It was basically "work alone". EDIT: "Artists work best alone. Work alone."

Woz would have been nowhere without Jobs. Jobs wouldn’t have succeeded when he came back without Schiller, Forstall, Cook, Fadell, etc.

The way i see it is Jobs ripped of Woz, without Woz Job's is nothing. On the other hand without Job's Woz would still been a successful engineer at a tech organization.

Re: I’ll admit it. I’m a jealous developer

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Post by valand »

donretag wrote: post #3

I am a good developer, and even better communicator. That said, I have no interest in social media. It just seems so forced.

Attention is power, even in the context of software development. Social media is where attention is abundant if you know how to look for it.

Devs should get better at communicating and self-marketing. It does not need to be an over the top marketing and self branding, in fact you shouldn't do that.

Recruiters, supervisors, founders, and everyone who need devs (and any other kind of specialists) need to up their bullshit filter game.

Re: I’ll admit it. I’m a jealous developer

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Post by spanhandler »

ayyy wrote: post #65
to1y wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did this idea come from and why is it so often claimed? Never in my life have I heard someone use 'jealousy' in that context, yet it seems to be widely accepted fact on the internet.

When I google "define jealous" and "define envy", I read it the same as Homer. I think it's one of those pre-internet "facts" people learned in school. If you're not aware, "literally" also now literally means "figuratively". It's memes all the way down.

To me that meaning checks out, but is a bit archaic. It’s how you might see it used in an older translation of the Bible, or a 19th century translation of the Greek tragedians, or maybe Tolkien, or something like that.

Modern, and especially colloquial, usage tends to be as a synonym of “envious”, so far as I know. “I’m jealous of her hair”. “His Instagram posts of his beach house make me so jealous”. “Stop mocking her car—you’re just jealous”. I don’t think I’ve ever heard or seen the older meaning intended in colloquial speech or all but the stuffiest of writing in the last 20+ years.

So, as is typical, two useful words have become one word through misuse.

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